Bleacher report not buying Panthers’ hype

[Car123]

Our season depends on how good our pass rush is.

[Jackie Lee]

1 hour ago, Car123 said:

Our season depends on how good our pass rush is.

That's not very encouraging given our QB situation lol. Our D-line situation has been a sideways move at best, which was nothing to write home about last year

[Thorrez]

I dont see the issue.

We had 3 gimmes last year. 3 in division and 2 upset.

Now it is maybe Browns, assuming they keep letting the qb/coach situation drag down a talented roster, and Steelers if there really was a Tomlin factor.

Even with the same 2 upsets, we are looking at 6-11 with one gimmes. 

 

[OldhamA]

4 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

That's not very encouraging given our QB situation lol. Our D-line situation has been a sideways move at best, which was nothing to write home about last year

We've vastly improved 2 of the front 7 with Phillips and Lloyd. We're hopeful that Hunter makes it 3 of the front 7.

You've also got the natural improvement of Scourton, Princeley and Jackson who are all entering their second year in the league. 

It's still short of where it needs to be, but progress is being made. 

[electro's horse]

14 hours ago, OldhamA said:

How many of those teams are better than the Rams and the Packers?

How many are better than the cardinals or saints 

[thunderraiden]

All this hand wringing just for sharps to start hammering the panthers over. This forum has just turned into racist boomer circle jerking atp

[poorboysrev]

15 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The problem is that you have a very small handful of legit good games to cling to vs. all the rest of Bryce's career. He has to be at his absolute best. Even "good" on the "Bryce curve" is below average for NFL starting QB standards and "average" on the "Bryce curve" is "we need a new fuging QB" for NFL starting QB standards. 

Right I totally get that. But we're not getting one this year. If he can hit Darnold's numbers from last year and the D tightens up we should be able to play complimentary football and be pretty good. What we gave up to get him is sunk cost at this point. The teams finally good enough around him to see whatever his best is, no excuses left it's on him to elevate. I've got my doubts but  IF he can it's what's best for the team so might as well just see if he's got more in him. I just want him to answer the question definitively. Either crash and burn or lift the team up

[LinvilleGorge]

19 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

Right I totally get that. But we're not getting one this year. If he can hit Darnold's numbers from last year and the D tightens up we should be able to play complimentary football and be pretty good. What we gave up to get him is sunk cost at this point. The teams finally good enough around him to see whatever his best is, no excuses left it's on him to elevate. I've got my doubts but  IF he can it's what's best for the team so might as well just see if he's got more in him. I just want him to answer the question definitively. Either crash and burn or lift the team up

That's the problem. You act like hitting Darnold's numbers is an achievable, modest improvement. Darnold threw for over 1000 more yards than Bryce did last year. That would be a monumental leap for Bryce.

[OneBadCat]

I think we'll go 11-6. We were essentially a 10-7 team last year if you factor that refs rigged the last Bucs and Saints games.

[poorboysrev]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's the problem. You act like hitting Darnold's numbers is an achievable, modest improvement. Darnold threw for over 1000 more yards than Bryce did last year. That would be a monumental leap for Bryce.

I'm not acting like anything I'm saying it's the best case scenario. That's like 65 yards more passing a game. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, poorboysrev said:

I'm not acting like anything I'm saying it's the best case scenario. That's like 65 yards more passing a game. 

65 yards more per game is huge. He needs to basically improve his production by a third to match what Darnold did last year. That would be Bryce leaping from 27th in the NFL in passing yards per game (bottom tier starting QB) to 9th in the league (top 10 QB production).

What you're asking for is a new QB because it's not a realistic expectation for a 4th year player with serious physical talent limitations to make that type of leap.

[poorboysrev]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

65 yards more per game is huge. He needs to basically improve his production by a third to match what Darnold did last year. That would be Bryce leaping from 27th in the NFL in passing yards per game (bottom tier starting QB) to 9th in the league (top 10 QB production).

What you're asking for is a new QB because it's not a realistic expectation for a 4th year player with serious physical talent limitations to make that type of leap.

You gotta admit there were games where our wr's had a lot of drops on throws they should've caught. Along with the Bryce throws ha. If Coker can play a full season I like our wr room a lot better. 2nd year TMac, better options than XL. It stand to reason if Bryce can limit to half the duck throws and we can get half as many drops the numbers will improve a good bit. I mean I get your take that hey it's just all doo doo til we get rid of Bryce but it's more fun for me to wait and see what they actually do this year and hope they surprise us

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

You gotta admit there were games where our wr's had a lot of drops on throws they should've caught. Along with the Bryce throws ha. If Coker can play a full season I like our wr room a lot better. 2nd year TMac, better options than XL. It stand to reason if Bryce can limit to half the duck throws and we can get half as many drops the numbers will improve a good bit. I mean I get your take that hey it's just all doo doo til we get rid of Bryce but it's more fun for me to wait and see what they actually do this year and hope they surprise us

We ranked 15th in the NFL last year in drops. Roughly middle of the pack. So Bryce wasn't helped by over performing receivers or held back by butter handed receivers either. The Bears led the league in drops and Caleb Williams threw for over 900 more yards than Bryce