Cam Newton Workout 3/16

[Mr. Scot]

Every past example you have given were situations where we didn't have the number one overall pick. That makes a lot of sense in those circumstances but not our current situation.

And having 1 dinner with White is < 3 separate meetings with Cam.

As far as the article is concerned, you just have to read it. It is clear on which part was reported citing league sources and which part he was giving his opinion. Just read it again. http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2011/03/panthers-not-sold-on-drafting-d-lineman.html It is pretty clear.

And also you still haven't explained why we have scheduled 3 different meetings with Cam but zero with Dareus or Fairley? They have had just as much contact with those two to this point.

Also want to reiterate that this means he is a lock, but at this point possibly the front runner.

I'm not sure where you're getting three different meetings, unless you're counting the Combine and Pro Day. But those are meetings everyone has access to.

We have one private workout scheduled that I've seen. Add in that we're not the only team meeting with Newton, so trade up offers are still a possibility. For that matter, what guarantee is there that our meeting/workout with him goes well?

As far as other players, we have no meetings scheduled...yet. With seven weeks still left in the process, I wouldn't put any bets on Newton being the only prospect we talk to. And again, look back at White. We met with him but not Williams, but still took Williams (and yes, it was the first round).

Could Newton wind up being the guy? Sure he could. I have no trouble acknowledging that.

But what you also have to acknowledge is the very real chance that, despite what you see now, he might not.

[teeray]

I'm not sure where you're getting three different meetings, unless you're counting the Combine and Pro Day. But those are meetings everyone has access to.

We have one private workout scheduled that I've seen. Add in that we're not the only team meeting with Newton, so trade up offers are still a possibility. For that matter, what guarantee is there that our meeting/workout with him goes well?

As far as other players, we have no meetings scheduled...yet. With seven weeks still left in the process, I wouldn't put any bets on Newton being the only prospect we talk to. And again, look back at White. We met with him but not Williams, but still took Williams (and yes, it was the first round).

Could Newton wind up being the guy? Sure he could. I have no trouble acknowledging that.

But what you also have to acknowledge is the very real chance that, despite what you see now, he might not.

First of all I completely acknowledge the last sentence of the post.

AS far as the three meetings. We have the private workout which you mentioned. There was a dinner that has already happened or is going to happen. And then separate from the private workout (which is happening at Jordan Haire in Auburn), we are bringing him to Charlotte to meet with everyone including Richardson. That is 3 meetings (assuming we agree the private workout is a "meeting").

If it was just a dinner like White I would put substantially less stock in it.

My opinion at this point is that it is Cam's to lose. I also think Cam can lose it.

Or it honestly is what you have suggested just a smoke screen. That is very possible as well.

[Mr. Scot]

First of all I completely acknowledge the last sentence of the post.

AS far as the three meetings. We have the private workout which you mentioned. There was a dinner that has already happened or is going to happen. And then separate from the private workout (which is happening at Jordan Haire in Auburn), we are bringing him to Charlotte to meet with everyone including Richardson. That is 3 meetings (assuming we agree the private workout is a "meeting").

If it was just a dinner like White I would put substantially less stock in it.

My opinion at this point is that it is Cam's to lose. I also think Cam can lose it.

Or it honestly is what you have suggested just a smoke screen. That is very possible as well.

Looked around and see the private workout and the trip to Charlotte, but not the dinner. As likely as not, if that happens it'll be just part of one of the other meetings, not a third meeting. There was word of a dinner with him after the Pro Day, but that was a mix-up. The Bills were the team that took him to dinner. Gantt said the Panthers would talk to him another time 9hence the workout and interview in Charlotte).

So no, that's not three meetings, but even if it were it wouldn't actually guarantee anything. As mentioned, these meetings could easily go badly. Or they could go well, but the team could just decide they like someone better.

Maybe it is Cam's to lose, but right now, that's an assumption. Still a lot of time between now and draft day.

And again, right now, it's just due diligence. "Smokescreens" don't really come into play until a decision is actually made.

Trust me, for anyone who knows how Marty Hurney operates, that decision isn't made yet, and it won't be until he's investigated all his options.

[teeray]

Looked around and see the private workout and the trip to Charlotte, but not the dinner. As likely as not, if that happens it'll be just part of one of the other meetings, not a third meeting. There was word of a dinner with him after the Pro Day, but that was a mix-up. The Bills were the team that took him to dinner. Gantt said the Panthers would talk to him another time 9hence the workout and interview in Charlotte).

So no, that's not three meetings, but even if it were it wouldn't actually guarantee anything. As mentioned, these meetings could easily go badly. Or they could go well, but the team could just decide they like someone better.

Maybe it is Cam's to lose, but right now, that's an assumption. Still a lot of time between now and draft day.

And again, right now, it's just due diligence. "Smokescreens" don't really come into play until a decision is actually made.

Trust me, for anyone who knows how Marty Hurney operates, that decision isn't made yet, and it won't be until he's investigated all his options.

According to Mike Lombardi at NFL.com:

"Cam Newton worked out at Auburn's pro day on Tuesday, but for me the workout was not as important as who actually took Newton to dinner. Both the Bills and Panthers had a private dinner with Newton, which will go a long way to determining their level of further interest. Newton the player is worth a top-five pick, but what clubs must determine is if Newton the person is worth that commitment. And this dinner setting is the first step in making a character evaluation."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81eae8b1/article/food-for-thought-when-dining-is-now-newtons-time-to-shine?module=HP_cp2

And again. Why have they not done the same due diligence with Fairley or Dareus yet??

Not saying you are wrong. just the pieces aren't fitting yet. 7 weeks isn't as long as it sounds. I am sure there will be others though.

[Razzy]

I'd rather get Vince Young for 2 years than draft Newton. It would be cheaper and Young would have more instant impact. His recent statements show he wants to try and get serious about his career and realizes his behavior was wrong in the past, and in the past he has shown he can win games in the NFL with a team that can run the ball. Newton is just a Vince Young copy anyways.

[KaseKlosed]

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/mar/10/panthers-to-evaluate-newton-once-again/

More juicy info, looks like the entire panther staff will look at CAM

Rivera. Said Cam is in our top 5 players we are considering taking with the first pick and it is not a secret

[pantherj]

Drafting Cam is a real possibilty. It's fun to talk about smokescreeens, smoke in your eyes, smoke up your ass, but we need to come to terms with the idea of Cam as our #1 pick. And not only that, but we'll probably have a losing season, and be in position to draft Luck. I think it's interesting that we might end up with both Cam and Luck in our QB stable. It's a possibility.

[Catalyst]

If we drafted Cam and ended up with the 1st pick again we'd trade out and get a ton of picks from whatever team wants Luck.

That said, it won't happen. It's extremely rare for any team to pick 1st overall two years in a row.

[pantherj]

Yeah teams would offer us some amazing deals.

[MHS831]

Looked around and see the private workout and the trip to Charlotte, but not the dinner. As likely as not, if that happens it'll be just part of one of the other meetings, not a third meeting. There was word of a dinner with him after the Pro Day, but that was a mix-up. The Bills were the team that took him to dinner. Gantt said the Panthers would talk to him another time 9hence the workout and interview in Charlotte).

So no, that's not three meetings, but even if it were it wouldn't actually guarantee anything. As mentioned, these meetings could easily go badly. Or they could go well, but the team could just decide they like someone better.

Maybe it is Cam's to lose, but right now, that's an assumption. Still a lot of time between now and draft day.

And again, right now, it's just due diligence. "Smokescreens" don't really come into play until a decision is actually made.

Trust me, for anyone who knows how Marty Hurney operates, that decision isn't made yet, and it won't be until he's investigated all his options.

I would add that there is a lot more reason to have multiple "meetings" with Cam. Character issues (might take 2 meetings alone), football knowledge (where is he with his understanding of the position?), etc. Drafting a QB is not like drafting a DT. Does anyone think they are? And having the entire staff to watch him suggests that they are going to discuss Cam. He is in the thinking, but no decision has been made if they want everyone to come watch him. Did he think that was to carry him off the field on their shoulders, or to form a "Cam is great" tunnel?

Here is what it will come down to:

Hurney's decision. He stands on his record and he still thinks Clausen needs a fair chance. That could change, but I doubt it. However, if Rivera and staff are unified on Cam as the pick, we start negotiations with Newton. That does not mean we will draft him, we just want to see what his contract demands are. I say we offer his Dad $200K.

Now, once the numbers are on the table, Hurney is going to call Rivera in and say this:

Ron, I have a trade offer. Tennessee wants to give us the 8th, 39th, and 72nd (guess) picks this year and their first rounder next year for our pick. Washington has offered their first and second rounders this year and next year. Cincinnati wants to move up from #4 for a second rounder and a fourth. I projected the following:

Trade with Tennessee-we get Robert Quinn DE, a very good DT and a solid CB. first rounder in 2012.

Trade with Washington- we get a shot at Quinn or Julio Jones and a solid DT. We also get the Redskins first and second rounders in 2012.

Trade with Cincinnati-We get Peterson, Dareus, or Fairley and OL depth later

"We can get a deal done for a veteran QB and these first rounders in 2012 could be used to move up next season and grab a franchise QB if Clausen doesn't come around. A veteran like McNabb, Clausen, Moore, Pike, and maybe even a late rounder to groom on the PS. Cam is not helping us much in 2011, but these guys would help make our defense top notch. What do you say?"

[teeray]

I would add that there is a lot more reason to have multiple "meetings" with Cam. Character issues (might take 2 meetings alone), football knowledge (where is he with his understanding of the position?), etc.

This is a good point.

But I figured you would have seen some similar stuff get scheduled with fairley and dareus by this point

[KaseKlosed]

Panthers to evaluate Newton once again

FROM TRIBUNE WIRE SERVICES

Columbia Daily Tribune

Thursday, March 10, 2011

The Panthers, who own the first pick in April’s draft, have admitted he’s part of a group of players they’re considering with that pick.

Coach Ron Rivera said he also expects to have Newton come to Charlotte, N.C., to meet with team officials before the draft.

The interest is obvious, as Rivera talked at the combine about the need for a franchise quarterback.

The rest of their decision-makers will get a chance in a more intimate setting next week.

[The Saltman]

umm when was the last time the panthers picked a player in the first round they had a private workout with? Doesnt prove anything.

[CatMan72]

Will swing by the practice field to see what I can see...