What about Cam will revolutionize the game?

[mav1234]

Yeah, because college QB's that play in "dumpoff" offenses always average better than a first down PER PASS ATTEMPT. :rolleyes:

Some of you guys watch a 5-minute youtube vid and think you know everything. Me? I was there for every Auburn game last year... and if you think that offense was made up of dink and dunk and dumpoffs, you are incredibly ignorant.

Re-read my post. Re-read the discussion. What I said was that someone who interpreted the Notre Dame offense as purely "BS dumpoffs" probably would think that of Auburn's and most other college offenses as well. The difference between an 8.8 YPA and a 10.2 is not a "dump off offense," ffs. YPA doesn't tell you anything about where the ball was thrown.

You're so eager to defend Cam against imagined slights, you're going to fit in really well here.

Never said Cam didn't dump it off. He did....but unlike Clausen in college Cam showed tremendous pocket presense and has a throwing motion (along with size) and arm strength ready for the NFL and to make the throws required.

Glad we agree - certainly Cam did more than just "dump the ball off" or whatever, but so did Clausen at Notre Dame.

Cam showed more poise under pressure, but not all that much more pocket presence, but that poise is why I think he'll be fine with handling NFL pressure with proper coaching. Clausen was certainly not poised here last year, EVER, but he did show some poise in various Notre Dame games I watched of him and I honestly thought he'd be able to handle the NFL and I was wrong. Clausen's arm was more than strong enough to make all NFL throws, and while his throwing motion is not always good (I swear to god our QB coach was trying to change it on him and that's why it went to hell and his throws were so erratic), a lot of taller rookies (Bradford) get balls deflected at the line of scrimmage too. None of that, though, is why I think Clausen is going to have trouble getting his feet under him again.

You pointed out the most troubling part of Clausen last year and that was his seeming inability to show any poise at all, no matter what. Even when he had protection I felt like he was just going to toss the ball in the dirt. I think once he stopped thinking and started playing, he would occasionally show he could make a play but the vast majority of the time he just didn't seem to "get" the game. =|

[panthers55]

Re-read my post. Re-read the discussion. What I said was that someone who interpreted the Notre Dame offense as purely "BS dumpoffs" probably would think that of Auburn's and most other college offenses as well. The difference between an 8.8 YPA and a 10.2 is not a "dump off offense," ffs. YPA doesn't tell you anything about where the ball was thrown.

You're so eager to defend Cam against imagined slights, you're going to fit in really well here.

Glad we agree - certainly Cam did more than just "dump the ball off" or whatever, but so did Clausen at Notre Dame.

Cam showed more poise under pressure, but not all that much more pocket presence, but that poise is why I think he'll be fine with handling NFL pressure with proper coaching. Clausen was certainly not poised here last year, EVER, but he did show some poise in various Notre Dame games I watched of him and I honestly thought he'd be able to handle the NFL and I was wrong. Clausen's arm was more than strong enough to make all NFL throws, and while his throwing motion is not always good (I swear to god our QB coach was trying to change it on him and that's why it went to hell and his throws were so erratic), a lot of taller rookies (Bradford) get balls deflected at the line of scrimmage too. None of that, though, is why I think Clausen is going to have trouble getting his feet under him again.

You pointed out the most troubling part of Clausen last year and that was his seeming inability to show any poise at all, no matter what. Even when he had protection I felt like he was just going to toss the ball in the dirt. I think once he stopped thinking and started playing, he would occasionally show he could make a play but the vast majority of the time he just didn't seem to "get" the game. =|

If a quarterback can average 8 yards or more for every pass attempt I really don't care what he does. It doesn't really matter whether it is a 2 yard pass and 10 yards after the throw or a 30 yard bomb, as long as you move the chains.

In addition to what you mentioned about Clasen looking lost out there, his biggest issue was that he failed to let plays develop and would too many times dump the ball at the first sign of pressure. So teams could easily gameplan for him. Blitz and play the receivers off the line looking for the underneath stuff and dump off passes. In order for the short stuff to work you have to make the safeties worry about the over the top pass so they don't crowd the box. Is also sets up the running game since the safeties have to first respect the pass then play the run. In clausen's case they ignored the pass and crashed the box.

What hopefully newton can bring is some elusiveness to buy time for the receivers to clear containment and find the soft spots in the secondary. That was the biggest issue with Smitty. Because he is double teamed so much he is not going to open right away. You have to give him time to uncover and find him late not early. That is what jake was good about and why they made a good team. I don't know if clausen can shake the tendency to play scared but unless he can, he won't be starting for us this year. The short dump off passes are diametrically opposed to what you need in a vertical passing game. Play action works when you sucker in the safeties and throw over the top. If you can't do that you can't pass effectively and the run game suffers as well.

[CRA]

Re-read my post. Re-read the discussion. What I said was that someone who interpreted the Notre Dame offense as purely "BS dumpoffs" probably would think that of Auburn's and most other college offenses as well. The difference between an 8.8 YPA and a 10.2 is not a "dump off offense," ffs. YPA doesn't tell you anything about where the ball was thrown.

You're so eager to defend Cam against imagined slights, you're going to fit in really well here.

Glad we agree - certainly Cam did more than just "dump the ball off" or whatever, but so did Clausen at Notre Dame.

Cam showed more poise under pressure, but not all that much more pocket presence, but that poise is why I think he'll be fine with handling NFL pressure with proper coaching. Clausen was certainly not poised here last year, EVER, but he did show some poise in various Notre Dame games I watched of him and I honestly thought he'd be able to handle the NFL and I was wrong. Clausen's arm was more than strong enough to make all NFL throws, and while his throwing motion is not always good (I swear to god our QB coach was trying to change it on him and that's why it went to hell and his throws were so erratic), a lot of taller rookies (Bradford) get balls deflected at the line of scrimmage too. None of that, though, is why I think Clausen is going to have trouble getting his feet under him again.

You pointed out the most troubling part of Clausen last year and that was his seeming inability to show any poise at all, no matter what. Even when he had protection I felt like he was just going to toss the ball in the dirt. I think once he stopped thinking and started playing, he would occasionally show he could make a play but the vast majority of the time he just didn't seem to "get" the game. =|

Cam did more than throw screen as we agree....and Clausen did more than dumping it off.....but that was what was stressed with Clausen and it showed in college.

what I hated last year was when Clausen did make a rare play....he was normally already committing one of his bad habits of doing his standard scramble to the right. I remember 3 throws really and I think all 3 he was doing his dumb scramble that almost virtually lead to nowhere every time (kills the routes and players are in freestyle mode).

[thefuzz]

Honestly, I hope he doesn't revoulutionize the game at all, I just want him to be a good steady QB.

I hate when I hear the words "game changer" and "bringing a new dimension".

Give me Eli Manning out of him, and I would be content, give me Rodgers or Rivers, and I will be so fuging excited I won't know what to do.

[teeray]

I know some people hate to hear this but in order for him to be as productive as possible Newton is going to have to be an active part of our running attack. Especially if he plays early in his career.

Cam was very good about getting as much yardage as possible and then getting to the turf without taking huge hits. Sometimes he would lower his shoulder when he shouldn't but for the most part the only time you saw him trying to run through people was when he needed yardage for a first down or touchdown and had to.

I personally don't buy the fact that suddenly every linebacker is going to kill him and he won't be able to truck extra yardage when needed. The dude is built like a brick house and is incredibly strong. Linebackers in the NFL are bigger and stronger than college ,but they aren't Supermen.

Cam has rare attributes as a running QB and we should magnify and utilize every great asset he has.

[bleys]

1 hit most likely won't ruin his career from an NFL linebacker (although possible)..

taking hits and playing a full 15 year career will.. if our run game is as big and bad as people claim, he doesn't need to run. his scrambling ability will be fully sufficient in forcing the defense to think more than reacting. his ability to pass will be more dangerous for the run game than him having to run and risk injury or a shortened career.

Vick ain't going to last much longer doing what he does. this past year proves that, and it won't get any better.

Newt is bigger, but he's still human and his body will take punishment for it. playing football alone will cause enough wear and tear on the body, even more so elevating that by design runs.

if we are talking about 2 or 3 a game, that's different than 6 or 7... but I'd rather leave the running to the backs.. strategically, I think there's far more risk when the reward can be found in scrambling, RBs, and pure passing ability.

[rayzor]

newt will be fine running as long as he learns how to slide and realizes its ok to run out of bounds.

[Guest Spot On Dtan]

Newton will be good. We falcons are freaking out in the ATL

[bleys]

newt will be fine running as long as he learns how to slide and realizes its ok to run out of bounds.

in other words, scrambling situations...

[teeray]

Plenty of QBs that have been great runners have had nice long careers. Randall Cunningham played @16 seasons and he is tiny compared to Newton.

Plus if you watch the way Cam ran toward the end of last season at Auburn he was very good at getting on the ground when there was no more yardage to be gained. Only when he needed to get an extra yard or two did he lower his shoulder and take a hit.

Vick is super fast but his body isn't designed to take that kind of punishment. Cam's is.

I was the biggest Cam supporter on this board but I can honestly say that if we drafted Cam to be a pure pocket passer we may have wasted that pick. His unique skill set has to be utilized in order for him to be as successful as I envision him IMO.

[OneBadassCat]

I just want him to exhaust all possible options as a passer before he tries to run with it.

[CRA]

I just want him to exhaust all possible options as a passer before he tries to run with it.

well that might be going overboard.....I just want passing to remain his #1 choice. If he has a lane to do damage....he is gonna need to take that option at times instead of risking a negative play.

[Mvp2014]

Luckily with JB AND TD playing with him he's gonna learn real quick not to man up on nfl linebackers and go down

[CRA]

Luckily with JB AND TD playing with him he's gonna learn real quick not to man up on nfl linebackers and go down

Cam probably is big enough he take that gamble if the situation calls for it.....Cam won't find out what he can and can't get away until preseason starts though.