More Bounty Gate Evidence/denial (New Details)

[TruCatzFan]

On the one hand, it seems clear, on the other hand, there's some room for doubt and believing the Saints*' source. In the end, it makes Vilma look guilty as hell that he didn't visit with the League Officials when he had the opportunity.

Here's the link for the rest of the story. i cut excerpts for those too lazy to click a link:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7886385/counsel-mary-jo-white-says-nfl-bounty-evidence-vs-new-orleans-Saints*-strong

NEW YORK -- A former U.S. attorney hired by the NFL to evaluate its investigation of the New Orleans Saints*' bounty program said Thursday the evidence shows players received payments for hits on targeted opponents. Mary Jo White said in a conference call that evidence in the league's investigation of the three-year, pay-for-pain system provided "an unusually strong record" and came from people with "firsthand knowledge and corroborated by documentation."

"The factual basis for the sanctions is quite strong in my opinion," she said. "You must safeguard the identity of people that provide information to you in order to protect them, and also to encourage others in the future to come forward with evidence of wrongdoing. This is certainly not a one-on-one, he-said, she-said record at all. This is multiple independent sources."

A Saints* source who testified during the league's investigation told ESPN's Ed Werder Wednesday that he believed the league's findings are exaggerated. The source said that while the report said the program existed for three seasons, it was limited to playoff games in the Superdome against Arizona and Minnesota in 2009.

The source told Werder that the program began when former Saints* defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was concerned about creating a higher level of motivation for his defensive players as they prepared for the postseason.

Before a team meeting, Williams told Vilma that he had a plan, and that the coach provided Vilma with the $10,000 he offered to any teammate who knocked out quarterback Kurt Warner.

The source said Vilma returned the money to Williams following the meeting.

According to the source, Williams believed the financial reward created the proper defensive mindset. So Williams and Vilma repeated the scenario the next week before playing the Vikings and quarterback Brett Favre, who was the victim of several illegal hits and had to be helped from the field, but finished the game.

This is interesting to say the least. Whether you believe it or not is up to you... I personally don't believe poo that these guys are saying tbh.

[PhillyB]

i thought you were rabidly against all this twelve hours ago because it couldn't be proven

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

there's got to be some way we can turn this into a thread where we talk about how much marty hurney sucks

[TruCatzFan]

i thought you were rabidly against all this twelve hours ago because it couldn't be proven

You're so overly dramatic. My posts were calm and logically sound. Obviously, as usual, you read my posts, disagreed because you have tunnel vision, and now are trying to make me out to be a flip flopper, which I'm not. Posting anything directed towards you is pretty much a waste of time anyways. Consider this my last post directed towards you ever.

[Mr. Scot]

The e-mails between Mike Ornstein and Sean Payton were dated during the regular season this past year (see the Newton Bounty thread).

And of course, Anthony Hargrove confessed, in writing.

Either of those alone would tell you the "Saints* source" - quite possibly Vilma himself, or maybe someone like Roman Harper or Joe Vitt - is full of $#@&.

[TruCatzFan]

Mr Scott was present in last nights thread and can easily back me up, that nothing I said was rabidly against it. I just wanted to SEE proof.

What little the League has divulged is already enough to make me a believer. Not just what the talkin heads have speculated on in the airwaves.

[Floppin]

The NFL has absolutely no obligation to release their evidence to the public.

[MadHatter]

Mr Scott was present in last nights thread and can easily back me up, that nothing I said was rabidly against it. I just wanted to SEE proof.

What little the League has divulged is already enough to make me a believer. Not just what the talkin heads have speculated on in the airwaves.

I understand your desire to see evidence...as we all would be interested. However, the league and Goodell does NOT owe the fans anything. This is a legal and ethical matter...not a public matter.

Work related matters and discipline are NEVER public matters.

[Ivan The Awesome]

I hope they never win a super bowl, ever again. Ever.

[Darknight]

People confessed that is happen including the one who organized it which was Greg Williams. Greg Williams is the only one taking his punishment like a man.

Hargrove confessed. NFL has many independent sources, not one, but many sources saying the similar thing that Vilma offered money. Give it a rest dude. Seriously. He did it. If he didn't do it, he should have been defending himself from day 1 when this story broke, not after his stupid ass gets suspended for a year. This is speculation but I believed Vilma thought he was going to get a few games, not a whole year. That's why his ass is talking and trying to defend himself.

If it was anyone on the Panthers, I would expect the same thing to happen to them. You don't go out on the football field to intentionally hurt someone. That's their occupation. That's there livelihood. That's how they provide for their family. That's how they put food on their table. That's how they provide for their kids. Then the Saints****** players have the audacity to go out and take that away from them and intentionally do it and hurt them and tear ACLs? fug the Saints******, fug their fans and fug that poo-hole of a city.

[rodeo]

Mr Scott was present in last nights thread and can easily back me up, that nothing I said was rabidly against it. I just wanted to SEE proof.

What little the League has divulged is already enough to make me a believer. Not just what the talkin heads have speculated on in the airwaves.

You were rabidly against it to the point of flooding the thread with spam and pieing/repping breezing2thesuperbowl repeatedly because you agreed with him. You demanded evidence and were provided with it several times, but continued denying until someone finally exposed your juvenile behavior, and you changed your opinion.

[Darknight]

You were rabidly against it to the point of flooding the thread with spam and pieing/repping breezing2thesuperbowl repeatedly because you agreed with him. You demanded evidence and were provided with it several times, but continued denying until someone finally exposed your juvenile behavior, and you changed your opinion.

He doesn't believe in tweets from people who work from the NFL..he wanted a link. Dude is a troll.

[CatMan72]

I'm beyond caring at this point.

[breezing2anotherSB]

http://www.nola.com/Saints*/app/492751/nflpa-counsel-response-to-nfl-conference-call.html

In response to the conference call the NFL organized Thursday morning with Mary Jo White, a New York litigator and former federal prosecutor, the players' union released a statement from its outside counsel, Richard Smith. Smith is also a former prosecutor.

"I was at the meeting with the NFL's lead investigators in March. She was

not there. Anyone, especially former prosecutors like both of us, know

that what the league provided could never be called 'substantial evidence'

of player participation in a pay-to-injure program. Worse yet, Mary Jo

provided nothing new or compelling today beyond another press briefing. My

guess is that a veteran FBI agent like Joe Hummel would agree as well."