DeAndre Hopkins visiting Panthers today

[Louie]

He looks like a stud WR. I wouldn't mind seeing him line up opposite of 89.

[AceBoogie]

Just something to add to the conversation, been seeing a few "I like him in the first, just not at 14" posts in here, this isn't relevent anymore, if he's the player we want just pick him, doesn't matter if he's 1st or 32nd pick the right pick at 14 is the player we want.

Something that has been lost recently in draft talk is the impact of the rookie salary Cap, the reason before that we didn't want to pick up player x/y/z was because the salary that would be involved for at position x, drafted in the top ten, lets say you have a QB that may be fine but you have a question mark about him so you don't want to risk the pick at 7 because you will have to pay him $50 mill, he drops to the second round because of that and you sign him for $15m now today it's fixed cap meaning less loss if the player is a bust.

Because of this you will continue to see more and more QBs get drafted in the first, even for this being a down year for QBs you may see up to 5 go in the first. And also teams unless they just want more picks will be less interested in trading back and hoping the player they want drops to them and more about just picking the guy they want outright.

At 14 if a guy we want is there like Hopkins we need just draft him because of this.

Amen fug all that I like him in the mid 20s but not at 14 that its dumb. You don't pass up on a player you want because your at spot 14 and not 24 if he's there and you want him take him period. You only trade down if you miss out on your guy so you take trade back and grab a few picks. What happens if you trade back and the guy gets picked up? Then your fuged. If he's there and you want him take him period.

[TheRumGone]

Amen fug all that I like him in the mid 20s but not at 14 that its dumb. You don't pass up on a player you want because your at spot 14 and not 24 if he's there and you want him take him period. You only trade down if you miss out on your guy so you take trade back and grab a few picks. What happens if you trade back and the guy gets picked up? Then your fuged. If he's there and you want him take him period.

I think the feeling is that there would be better players at 14 but people would like him at 24 because those better players would be gone already.

[Growl]

There are better articles but that was a 3 second search...

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nfcsouth&id=13686&src=desktop

White talks about "finally growing up", quit eating crap food and taking things seriously, a coaching staff that finally showed him the importance of practicing hard bc he relied on just his natural ability to get by for so long, etc.

White has talked about it several times....how he went from a guy Atl regretted drafting to a stud. It wasn't just adjusting to the speed on the NFL....

I'm sorry but the way in talks in this article doesn't give me the same impression it gives you. I see where your coming from, but anybody who watched White during his tenure in Atlanta could see that his problems were far beyond some poor eating habits. As I previously mentioned, and hat he even touches on in the article, is that the guys with his style who don't dominate with athleticism typically require the curve that comes with making the leap. They can't use their natural ability a a crutch until they learn the ropes. It takes time, and it's reasonable to expect a similar curve with Hopkins.

[CRA]

I'm sorry but the way in talks in this article doesn't give me the same impression it gives you. I see where your coming from, but anybody who watched White during his tenure in Atlanta could see that his problems were far beyond some poor eating habits. As I previously mentioned, and hat he even touches on in the article, is that the guys with his style who don't dominate with athleticism typically require the curve that comes with making the leap. They can't use their natural ability a a crutch until they learn the ropes. It takes time, and it's reasonable to expect a similar curve with Hopkins.

Yes, and he talked about those as well....not the best articles it but he does talk about being lazy when he talks about not practicing hard under Mora and had always just gotten by on his natural ability.

So to deny White was just a lazy sack of poo who pretty much was just getting a paycheck when he first arrived is ignoring Roddy White....and even his mamma's own words.

White has talked about the type guy he was under Mora and why he was viewed as such a bust....it was easily talked about the season he blew up and become a stud.

[Lumps]

Eh...the ceiling seems to be higher with other players such as Patterson and Austin, IMO, but trading down and then grabbing the best WR seems to be ideal since there will be reaching and which will bring bargains.

[CRA]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/sports/football/21falcons.html?_r=0

Another 2 second search, this one talks about how he knew the routes to the local bars better than the ones he was suppose to run....when he was benched early on in his career. He flat out says he would be drunk at 4am and would just go sleep at the facility to avoid oversleeping..... and was mentally out of football.....his words.

It wasn't just the speed of the game. White admitted in several interviews he simply had poor work ethic ....which is why I think Nuk can be better sooner. White was lazy under Mora...which also speaks to why Mora sucks

[koolkatluke]

Eh...the ceiling seems to be higher with other players such as Patterson and Austin, IMO, but trading down and then grabbing the best W seems to be ideal since there will be reaching and which will bring bargains.

The ceiling is high but the floor is lower as well.

[CRA]

Austin can do more.....Nuk is the better pure WR IMO.

Given the type offense we have with Cam....I'd prefer Nuk. Austin seems to be fit for a QB that likes to throw the short quick hitters, screens, etc....and those are some of Cams's WORST throws. Nuk running downfield with his strong routes and hands seems like a better fit

[Growl]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/sports/football/21falcons.html?_r=0

Another 2 second search, this one talks about how he knew the routes to the local bars better than the ones he was suppose to run....when he was benched early on in his career. He flat out says he would be drunk at 4am and would just go sleep at the facility to avoid oversleeping..... and was mentally out of football.....his words.

It wasn't just the speed of the game. White admitted in several interviews he simply had poor work ethic ....which is why I think Nuk can be better sooner. White was lazy under Mora...which also speaks to why Mora sucks

I see.

I still also see a player in Hopkins who lacks a lot of instantaneously translatable tools, and while instant gratification matter little to me in terms of drafting, when you hold it up against a player who can be strong now and has a higher ceiling later, I'm inclined to rank the former below the latter.

[DaveThePanther2008]

I didn't see the LSU game and the highlights of the LSU game were not in the above video. What I did see was Auburn, Ga. Tech, Va Tech, BC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest and whoever the second team was (it wasn't LSU)

I was overseas during the football season so seeing the LSU game wasn't possible.

Wasn't overly impressed by the video.

[Kakarot]

i have no problems of taking Hopkins at 14.if he is the guy, take him.

This.

I'm just glad the Panthers finally seem serious about getting a #1 WR to eventually take Smiths place.

[LinvilleGorge]

Austin can do more.....Nuk is the better pure WR IMO.

Given the type offense we have with Cam....I'd prefer Nuk. Austin seems to be fit for a QB that likes to throw the short quick hitters, screens, etc....and those are some of Cams's WORST throws. Nuk running downfield with his strong routes and hands seems like a better fit

Bingo. I've been the one guy screaming my head off on this forum for Nuk for weeks now. I can't stand Clemson, but I love Nuk.

[koolkatluke]

The fact that Nuk was a deep threat while not having great speed or being very big (6'4 and up). Let's me know he runs great routes and has great hands. Which is something you have to love in a WR.