The bad old days

[JawnyBlaze]

i sure did until reality hit and realized that we blew our load on just a handful of players that were the core of a losing team and one really bad kicker.

 

so dumb.

 

i hate that mantra "resigned the core of a losing team".  they were also the core of a 12-4 team.  not one of those resigned players were at fault for our losing season.

[rayzor]

i hate that mantra "resigned the core of a losing team".  they were also the core of a 12-4 team.  not one of those resigned players were at fault for our losing season.

how many winning seasons was that core a part of? 

[JawnyBlaze]

at the time of being resigned, the same number as losing seasons.  2008 was the completion of that core, 2009 was an even record, and 2010 was losing.

[Squirrel]

i sure did until reality hit and realized that we blew our load on just a handful of players that were the core of a losing team and one really bad kicker.

 

so dumb.

 

 

Yet we are thinking of extending Hardy right now.  By your logic we shouldn't because he has only been part of losing seasons.

[rayzor]

Yet we are thinking of extending Hardy right now.  By your logic we shouldn't because he has only been part of losing seasons.

it depends on if that contract is the largest for any DE in the league and if it's done at the same time we do 4 other big deals and if it cripples the teams cap for years to come. 

 

if it has the same effect that all those other contracts combined had on the team and goes way beyond what any other team does, then yes....we shouldn't re-sign him.

 

it's not the same situation, tho, and we don't have a GM  who thinks you have to hang on like a pitbull to every good player on your team and throw more money at them than anyone just to keep them.

[L-TownCat]

I see what you did there. But when I read the thread title I thought of the 80s.

 

fify

[Delhommey]

No way was that JR's pride lashing out due to hurt feelings from being called cheap for over a year. Nooooo way. It was all Hurney, that bad, bad man.

And Kurb don't lie - you were with me and others on hating the Williams and Mare contract.

[thefuzz]

Thought they were stupid then, think they are stupid now.

 

The only one I can somewhat understand is the CJ one, and even that is too high.

 

Beasons wasn't as bad as some of the others, but to pay a C, RB, and K that much is just dumb, then Hurney went full retard and did the same thing with Stew.

[Mr. Scot]

 highest mlb contract (for one of the top mlbs in the game) ...

 

And when you think about it, there's a good chance we could be doing that again two or three years down the road.

 

There's also a defensive end contract in the works; oh, and a quarterback contract coming up sometime soon :unsure:

 

When it comes to setting value, I already trust Dave Gettleman way more than I ever trusted Marty Hurney (based on actual football experience) but given the bad experiences from the last round of re-ups, how are we going to feel the next time we hear contract news like this?

 

[thefuzz]

And when you think about it, there's a good chance we could be doing that again two or three years down the road.

 

There's also a defensive end contract in the works; oh, and a quarterback contract coming up sometime soon :unsure:

 

When it comes to setting value, I already trust Dave Gettleman way more than I ever trusted Marty Hurney (based on actual football experience) but given the bad experiences from the last round of re-ups, how are we going to feel the next time we hear contract news like this?

 

 

I'm already nervous about the Hardy deal, but at least it's a DE.

 

I can handle DE's, T's. CB's, QB's, and to a lesser extent MLB's.  The RB's and marginal S's are killing me.

[Seltzer]

Charles Johnson got what they had to pay him to get him to stay.  I don't have a problem with his contract.  Really the only good one IMO (besides Olsen) of the last ones Hurney gave out.

 

I think when the final analysis of Hurney is made years from now, people will realize compared to his peers, he was much better at drafting than some people want to give him credit for, and awful at giving out loyalty contracts.  Say what you will about 2nd rounders, etc., Hurney never missed on a 1st Round guy, which is something remarkable. 

 

Atlanta- Peiria Jerry

New Orleans- Robert Meachum

 

[Squirrel]

I'm already nervous about the Hardy deal, but at least it's a DE.

 

I can handle DE's, T's. CB's, QB's, and to a lesser extent MLB's.  The RB's and marginal S's are killing me.

 

 

I would rather see hardy walk then extend him. You cant afford to pay 2 top defensive ends in the era of the cap and field a good defense. 

[thefuzz]

Charles Johnson got what they had to pay him to get him to stay.  I don't have a problem with his contract.  Really the only good one IMO (besides Olsen) of the last ones Hurney gave out.

 

I think when the final analysis of Hurney is made years from now, people will realize compared to his peers, he was much better at drafting than some people want to give him credit for, and awful at giving out loyalty contracts.  Say what you will about 2nd rounders, etc., Hurney never missed on a 1st Round guy, which is something remarkable. 

 

Atlanta- Peiria Jerry

New Orleans- Robert Meachum

 

 

Have you ever looked at what positions he drafted?

 

Have you ever looked at the 2011 and 2009 drafts?

[thefuzz]

I would rather see hardy walk then extend him. You cant afford to pay 2 top defensive ends in the era of the cap and field a good defense. 

 

 

Unless you can be sure that there is going to be a huge jump in the cap in two years I agree.

 

Let him play this year, walk, and get the comp pick.