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@TheBigKatare you going to Arizona? I'm thinking about making a road trip again. Haven't venture out since we got spanked in Miami a couple years ago

It's that simple

I'm not labeling anybody off a 5 game sample size that wasn't even overly impressive. Put together a full season and actually win some games then we can talk.

Looks like we aren't giving Chatty game 5 off to recuperate. Hopefully we close it out here - we need a strong start, unlike the previous 3 games

It's always going to be a winning season if the Jags are the first game. Panthers tradition.

Which, again, is why T-Mac and Bryce make for a great pairing. Bryce isn't a "throw it past the defense and let a speedster chase it down" type of deep ball thrower, his deep ball is more of a jump ball because he doesn't have a cannon for an arm. Who know who is great at deep jump balls? T-Mac Who know who is also pretty darn good at running short routes for quick passes? T-Mac Too many people have only watched his highlight reels, which usually consist of the crazy catches he makes, not the mundane ones where he runs a short slant across the middle for quick pass and runs for 10 yards for a first down. He was 5th in the Big 12 in YAC last year, but because he's more well known for the crazy contested catches he's able to make, people just assume that's all he can do and he doesn't have YAC ability, which couldn't be more incorrect.

Because most fans are stupid who can't understand the reasoning behind stats and can only look at individual player statistics in a vacuum. See my previous post for full breakdown lol

looks like I was wrong on that going off memory. It was one of a couple stats I looked at the other week. Looks like I confused that league worst with the bad target %, yac per comp, etc stats I looked up. Where he was league worst. I still think solving the YAC and short pass game is the best way to maximize Bryce. He might of thrown deep ....but he has never been a good deep thrower. Outside of PFF declaring it with what ifs.

If those are T-Mac's first 2 seasons, then yes, our fans will be calling him a bust for sure. But raw stats after the fact don't tell the full story, it all depends how they happen. And to everyone who keeps saying he needs to get to 1,000 yard as a rookie because that's what elite rookie WRs do now, they keep just looking at things in a vacuum and not the full picture. Usually the rookies who get to that mark are the only legitimate option in the passing attack for those teams. Anyone trying to point to guys like Nabers or BTJ last year are completely missing the point, T-Mac is not in remotely close to the same situation and is far more similar to MHJ and Odunze last year. The Giants 2nd and 3rd WRs last year were Wan'Dale Robinson and Slayton who had 699 and 573 yards, their 4th leading WR had a grand total of 62 yards in 16 games (their 3rd-7th leading rec yards were TE's and RBs). The Jags 2nd and 3rd WRs last year were Parker Washington and Kirk with 390 and 379 yards, while their 4th WR was Gabe Davis with 239 (while their 2nd leading rec yards was a TE with 411). The Cardinals had McBride with 111 catches for 1,146 yards The Bears had Moore with 98 for 966 and Allen with 70 for 744 Thielen, XL, Coker are absurdly better than the other WR options the Giants and Jags had last year, there is a real argument to make that our 4th best WR was better than those team's 2nd best. That alone is a huge hurdle to T-Mac getting to the 1,000 yard mark as a rookie, no matter how ready he may or may not be. MHJ was supposed to be the most pro-ready WR prospect in a LONG time and having McBride there was the main reason he finished with "only" 885 yards as a rookie.

They are going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at us, refs probably help them out as well. Can we steal it, I hope so.

That is really optimistic with this crew. Injuries will happen and there isn’t enough depth.

Bryce led the league in down the field throws the last 5 weeks of the season... You've lost me on this totally. The YPA in 2023 was abysmal for sure. But Bryce was throwing it all over the field by the end of last year... were we not watching the same games??!

Here's tonight's projected lineup from the official Carolina Hurricanes website. Jack Roslovic will continue to center the 2nd line. Chatfield skated this morning, but Niukishin did skate in his spot with Orlov yesterday at morning skate. Chatfield seems to be good to go tonight. Let's Go Canes! Tonight's Projected Lineup... Forwards Svechnikov - Aho - Jarvis Hall - Roslovic - Stankoven Martinook - Staal - Carrier Robinson - Kotkaniemi - Blake Defense Slavin - Burns Orlov - Chatfield Gostisbehere - Walker Goaltenders Andersen [Backup: Kochetkov] - Injuries Jesper Fast (Neck | Out For 2024-25 Season) Mark Jankowski (Undisclosed Injury | Day-To-Day) Scratches Juha Jaaska Tyson Jost Alexander Nikishin Ty Smith Riley Stillman

Why? That's very good production. Pretty much equivalent to the sum of DJ Moore's first three seasons.

If our defense was slightly better last year, we would have made the playoffs. Even with the QB drama + new coaching staff. With all the defensive improvements this offseason and offensive stability, we make the playoffs this year.

the Big 12 was weak last year. The PAC12 was not the best conference in the nation in 2023. Tmac is not a literal development prospect. Neither was XL. Those type dudes are on the practice squad. What he is a dude that most likely, given his style of play AND the O he is coming onto.....likely won't have a huge year in year 1. Most of the rookies that come into the league and wow.....play w/ big armed risk takers downfield. That's not where he is landing. He is landing on a team that needs dude to get NFL open and quick. I don't dislike Tmac, I don't dislike XL, I don't dislike BY. I do not think the Panthers are investing in offensive skill talent matches what the QB does well. Which is exactly what I said when we drafted XL.....who I lobbied for. Round hole, square peg is something I have been talking about since we first drafted Bryce and rolled w/ Frank Reich.

I freakin hated Brian Dawkins lol. Dude was just an executioner. One of the last guys who made a career out of teeing up defenseless receivers.

Drake London's stats. I think a lot of Panthers fans would be calling him a bust before year 3.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, at least in terms of why this was the response to my post. I'm not saying he's going to struggle, I'm saying the exact opposite, that he's going to be a successful rookie directly because he's NOT a developmental project. I've said before my expectations are 800 yards and 10 TDs, but he very well could get over 1,000. I'm not going to EXPECT 1,000 because I do think we're going to be a run first team and Thielen is still going to be Bryce's safety valve just because of their history together, so it's unrealistic for me to say that's my expectation, but it's certainly more than possible. And if you were to tell me right now that Thielen has 600 or less yards this year, then I'd change my T-Mac expectation to the 1,000 yard mark, but I think it's more likely that Thielen leads the team in yards if he plays a full season healthy and then T-Mac explodes in year 2 for 1,200+ when all those Thielen targets are up for grabs.

Gilbert Arenas did an interview about Flagg going to Dallas and while he didn't come out and say it's rigged, he made it sound like the NBA tells teams who to draft as well on top of moving draft picks to funnel big markets.

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He played in the Big 12 last year, not like he was in the MAC or something. Also, in 2023 for the last year of the Pac 12, they legit might have been the best conference in the nation that year when he had 90 catches for 1,402 yards and 10 TDs in a season where they played against 7 ranked teams and 4 of the 7 were Top 12 teams when they played. Not being a great separator doesn't mean he's a developmental prospect, especially when that is almost his only weakness and he still put up over 2,700 yards in his final 2 seasons of college. It just means he has something to work on, but he's basically the picture perfect definition of NOT a developmental prospect but someone who should be able to produce immediately. XL with his 5 years in college but only 1 season of production with weak route running and questionable hands but elite athleticism, THAT is the definition of a developmental project. I love how the T-Mac haters only focus on the things they think he does poorly and needs to improve upon and extrapolate that out to mean he's not that good and needs time to develop, but completely disregard the stats he put up with those "problems." If he was as bad at those things that the haters like to insinuate, he'd never have been able to do what he did in college, level of competition aside, which again is still far better than people want to give it credit for anyways.

If your scheme is only at it's best when you have elite players across the board, how good of a scheme is it? How good of a coach are you? George Seifert ring a bell?