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The young rookies come through.....game ball for the secondary


Jmac

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For all the DG haters....four players out of last year's draft are playing well/starting. If he can pull something close next draft and with some FA money, they will be much better. Very good game by all the rookies....Trai,Ealy,Bene and Boston-2013 draft.

 

lose again and the complaints return.

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...........This stat isn't impressive during a 4-8-1 season.

That stat is impressive regardless of the record. The reason this team is 4-8-1 has nothing to do with the players mentioned. They all have performed very well so far when given the chance.. Coaches being inept,injuries,and one stupid ass DE did directly lead to this record.

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That stat is impressive regardless of the record. The reason this team is 4-8-1 has nothing to do with the players mentioned. They all have performed very well so far when given the chance.. Coaches being inept,injuries,and one stupid ass DE did directly lead to this record.

 

While this is true, my point being I can assure you our record is a direct correlation with those guys playing. 

 

If the players above them were performing well there would be no reason to have them start.  This is not a case of a rookie playing very well above decent players. In all honesty the guys they replace have been underperforming AKA Trash. 

 

Granted I am VERY glad to see these guys out there, and see a lot more potential. Especially with us looking like we need to think about the future it is great to get them reps now.

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The rookies looked great today, but one thing I do want to mention is I think we found our number 1 corner. Josh Norman is good. He may be a hot head and taunt a little too much, but Josh Norman is a good football player. I think even the biggest Captain Munnerlyn supporter will now admit that Josh Norman is hands and away the better player. The CB future doesn't look as bleak as I originally thought. 

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Honestly, both of Gettleman's drafts and UDFA signings the past two drafts look pretty fuging good and nearly all of them have been a contributor at some point aside from Kugbila (who has stayed injured) and Gaffney (who got stolen from us).

 

It was our dumpster-diving FA bandaids, injuries, piss poor o-line, and idiotic coaching that did us in this season.  When you have as many problems as us it's really hard to fix it all in one off season, even though he managed to it in 2013 if only temporarily for one season.  We forget or tend to ignore, but he DID pretty much straight up told us it was going to be rough the first couple of years until he gets everything manageable, and that sort of hinted that 2013 was a bit of a surprise.

 

The man obviously has an eye for talent, and his player selection isn't what doomed us this year.  If he can keep that level of evaluation up... holy cow we could potentially have a pretty badass team a few years down the line if he can build a team top to bottom of quality drafted players

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So DG may have slipped up in some areas this season (oline), but overall he has done a good job. Give the man some more time and money and the misery will be over. Excited to see what he delivers in the next draft class.

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