2011 NFL draft revisited, would you take JJ Watt over Cam?

[Brooklyn Bully]

This really needs a poll.

[GoobyPls]

Why are people bringing up Russell Wilson?

With that same logic I could say Draft Cam 1, Cobb in the 2nd, Houston in the 3rd, Cameron in the 4th and Sherman in the 5th.

[pantherphan96]

I can't say I follow this. Watt has 1 career interception and it was against the Bills. What did you mean by that?

 

My main argument was that Watts stats are inflated by facing inferior talent in the Titans and Jags 2x a year. Also pointing out that while Luck and the Colts are strong opponents, Luck is a INT machine. I did not mean that Watt's stats are not directly affected by Luck's propensity to throw INTs, but that if you put Watt in a division without two of the worst teams, his stats would be less inflated.

[†William Moore†]

But the Texans HAVE JJ Watt and they suck. We don't!

 

I'm not trying to talk poo or anything but you guys do indeed suck. 7-8-1 is not a good team. You guys took a big step back last year, the division being so terrible was just able to mask it.

[CarolinaSamurai]

I'm not trying to talk poo or anything but you guys do indeed suck. 7-8-1 is not a good team. You guys took a big step back last year, the division being so terrible was just able to mask it.

This is the definition of talking poo. So your not succeeding at your aim. Our QB was injured and recovering from surgery at the beginning, we came back at the end because he was feeling like himself again. Also 3 new lines of positions that had to learn to gel. We lost a lot and still were able to make a push for the playoffs. Educate yourself before you go spouting off nonsense on a forum for a team you don't even support.

[Moorgan]

I wouldnt bother engaging people here, my man. It used to be a place where you could say speak your mind and get some good discussion but nowadays this place is more about who can deflect and belittle opinions. Let me tell you what I learned here at the Huddle about people in general.

1) People dont like people who are opinionated and speak their opinions strongly. Its ok to make snarky and ignorant casual one liners as long as they are not so serious. You can say as many dumb things you like as like as you say it half jokingly or sarcastically enough.

2) People dont like to be told when they are wrong. They have to "discover it" on their own so that they can feel like they accomplished something when they say it out loud proudly and make that thought their own. You cant really plant a seed so much like in Insurrection, you can only hope that a set events will happen in front of that person so that they will agree.

I will say tho, I like an mlb over a de in Luke's case but only when theres a special player that can out value the de position. I think he's that good. I would love to discuss it more with you but this is no longer the forum for that. This is just a place for people to post video's of chicks doing splits now, lol, good thread tho.

One of the things I've noticed is that negative contrarians are like millennial hipsters in that if their take is deliberately negative to the team and against the relative norm then they think they are being cool, hip or edgy (re: unique and original thinkers).

And that's juvenile. I've seen many posters who are well thought out and have different opinions but express those opinions calmly and logically. And strangely the huddle doesn't put those people on blast.

Sure some get butthurt and then realize a rational discussion is happening and chill out. Mostly I've seen sane, pragmatic discussions. But if you choose to feel persecuted because of your edgy take and you give that take with a hipsters air of arrogance...well you just might get called out for the petulant child you're being.

That said, I've found most Huddlers to be sane and rational if you conduct yourself like an adult. Most are nice people that I've met. But I have noticed a slight irrational tone when it comes to Cam being persecuted by the media. But I can forgive that. Huddle gonna huddle.

[imminent rogaine]

I refuse to remember any draft before DG. 

[dcpanther89]

JJ Watt excells in the 3-4 if we ran that defensive scheme possibly but in the long run the Texans haven't accomplished more than us so I doubt getting him instead would have rendered the panthers a super bowl

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

One of the things I've noticed is that negative contrarians are like millennial hipsters in that if their take is deliberately negative to the team and against the relative norm then they think they are being cool, hip or edgy (re: unique and original thinkers).

And that's juvenile. I've seen many posters who are well thought out and have different opinions but express those opinions calmly and logically. And strangely the huddle doesn't put those people on blast.

Sure some get butthurt and then realize a rational discussion is happening and chill out. Mostly I've seen sane, pragmatic discussions. But if you choose to feel persecuted because of your edgy take and you give that take with a hipsters air of arrogance...well you just might get called out for the petulant child you're being.

That said, I've found most Huddlers to be sane and rational if you conduct yourself like an adult. Most are nice people that I've met. But I have noticed a slight irrational tone when it comes to Cam being persecuted by the media. But I can forgive that. Huddle gonna huddle.

 

all of this

 

it's like people think they deserve a pat on the butt just for disagreeing with everyone and holding an unpopular opinion.  it's like it doesn't matter that their arguments don't make sense (hurr the only reason anybody knows who luke kuechly is is because of marketing) or they seemingly don't understand basic poo (like what a 3-4 DE is typically asked to do vs. what a 3-4 outside linebacker is typically asked to do)-they're brave enough to be a loudmouth on the internet so they deserve to be praised and taken seriously.

 

yes mr. special snowflake it's rare and unusual for a person to have an opinion on a topic.

[JARROD]

Mr Madison, at no time during your incoherent rambling response have you said anything that could be considered a rational thought.

Everyone who foolishly opened and read this thread is now dumber,...

I award you no pie and my Goodell have mercy on your ban,...

[CarolinaCoolin]

One of the things I've noticed is that negative contrarians are like millennial hipsters in that if their take is deliberately negative to the team and against the relative norm then they think they are being cool, hip or edgy (re: unique and original thinkers).

And that's juvenile. I've seen many posters who are well thought out and have different opinions but express those opinions calmly and logically. And strangely the huddle doesn't put those people on blast.

Sure some get butthurt and then realize a rational discussion is happening and chill out. Mostly I've seen sane, pragmatic discussions. But if you choose to feel persecuted because of your edgy take and you give that take with a hipsters air of arrogance...well you just might get called out for the petulant child you're being.

That said, I've found most Huddlers to be sane and rational if you conduct yourself like an adult. Most are nice people that I've met. But I have noticed a slight irrational tone when it comes to Cam being persecuted by the media. But I can forgive that. Huddle gonna huddle.

I have first hand experience of logical, objectively and rationally expressing my opinion and multiple posters falling over themselves to be mouth breathing hillbillies because I was challenging their group think.

[Moorgan]

I have first hand experience of logical, objectively and rationally expressing my opinion and multiple posters falling over themselves to be mouth breathing hillbillies because I was challenging their group think.

I certainly wouldn't say it can't happen. Humans are involved and it's sports. And group think on a message board for a sports team is one of the more likely place to find it. But it doesn't have to be the norm.

For example your post right there is a perfect example. Calm, rational and productive to the discussion. But challenging group think for the sake of being challenging in a haughty manner is what I'm talking about.

That only leads to overly emotional reactions. It devolves the conversation. Too often stating opinions as facts or using hyperbole spirals into mouth breathing arguments.

[KendrickPanther]

I'd take Cam over Watt. Watt is a great player but Cam changed the fan culture in this city. Ask Jeremy how much this site has grown since 2011.

[Icege]

Ugh... this a really tough question when I try to approach it objectively...

I think that given the team's circumstances that Cam was better for the Panthers. Watt is a man beast... but... I mean, when you look at depth it becomes a no brainer.

QB: Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Keith Null, Brian St Pierre, Tony Pike

DE: Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy, Tyler Brayton, Eric Norwood, Everette Brown, Hilee Taylor

Granted outside of Hardy/Johnson DE was ass, but at least there were two starters.