Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

#1 Defense vs. # Offense Narrative


t96

Recommended Posts

I've been seeing this thrown around a lot, especially by Broncos fans... That defense wins championships and historically the #1 defense dominates the #1 offense. They quickly point to their own heartbreak just 2 years ago, and think it'll be the same thing against us just with them being the ones to dominate. But the difference between then and now is that Broncos offense was a finesse passing offense. They walked into a game against the (2nd) toughest defense in the league and got absolutely stomped because the physicality on the Seahawks D was unmatched by the Broncos offense. The Seahawks had guys who could do it all and would knock your ass out of the game at every level of their D. The Denver offense was a complete joke (though it was "historically good). WRs were all complete pansies and the second they got jammed at the line they'd quit on their routes. Peyton was way better than but folded on the big stage. They had no real running game.

 

This game is the complete opposite. The Carolina Panthers offense is far and away the most physical and tough offense in the league, and it's not even close. The Broncos D dominated the Patriots' finesse offense and their crap o-line, so they must dominate us as well right? I don't think so. Just look at Andrew Norwell. That man will fug anybody on that Broncos D up. He's not extremely athletically gifted or physically gifted, but that man will punch them right in the mouth and take 3 or 4 of their guys out of the play. He did it against the Seahawks who still have one of the toughest Ds in the league. The Broncos D is great without a doubt. But they're nothing like the Seahawks have been. The Seahawks' secondary is called the Legion of Boom for a reason--and not because it was a conveniently thought up "cool" nickname. Those guys wreck havoc. They can cover as well as anybody but more than anything else they can come in and knock guys out routinely. The Broncos secondary couldn't be more opposite. Led by Aqib Talib, maybe the biggeest bitch CB since Deion Sanders, that secondary would be afraid to hit the kid taking their lunch money let alone the baddest motherfugers on the planet on the Panthers offense. Talib is an amazing cover corner, no doubt. So is Chris Harris. They have a solid pair of safeties as well. But they are no Legion of Boom. They have an amazing pass rush and I'll give them that. Von Miller is great, as is Ware and the DTs on the interior. Marshall is a tremendous player as well. But this is a group of talented players who were all heralded from day one of their NFL careers. There was no adversity for them. This group was put together by John Elway by paying guys a lot of money and drafting guys early when they were bad. These guys don't have the fight in them like those Seahawks did and it's clear in their play.

 

This isn't even taking into account how good our D is and how poor their O is. Even if they win the matchup between our O and their D by a slight margin we shouldn't have any problems with our D against their O, but I honestly expect our offense to stomp on their D right from the start.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The #1 yards allowed defense to me, doesn't mean nearly as much as the #1 points allowed defense (Seattle).  After all, it's the score that determines the winners and losers, even though yards play in to that.  My point being, we hung 31 points in one half on the #1 points allowed defense, and the #1 rushing defense.  I think Denver should be worried.......real worried.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, cabello said:

How do both special teams units stack vs each other?

Both pretty solid units (both hovering around 10 I believe by PFF--not the end all be all but decent indicator). I do believe Ginn could break one. Not super worried about the Broncos breaking one but a little bit worried about a blocker FG. Gonna need to get the 6 consistently in the red zone, which I think we can do. We're not the Patriots and Cam isn't Brady. Cam's the best red zone weapon in league history.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

They are just trying to hype the game.

2013 Seahawks D may have been the best ever. And their O with lynch was ground and pound much like ours except we have three guys who can do it with stew Tolbert and cam.

Defense does win championships. Good thing we have a great defense too

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yea the #1 offense vs #1 defense rhetoric is annoying. We're #1 in offensive points (the stat that matters) they're #1 in defensive yards (the stat that doesn't).  If you're gonna compare ranks like that you gotta use the same scale. It's the #1 offense vs the #3 or 4 or something like that defense. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

They make it like we are some namby pamby defense and have gotten by on offensive finesse. 

All year long the most hyped offense in the league was the vaunted Arizona Cardinals. Our defense stomped a mud hole in them and took the ball from Palmer 6 times. How is a noodle armed Manning gonna fair? Not well. 

Our offense puts up over 20 points and it is over. And given some of the field position we are sure to get, I don't see that being too tall of a task. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

#1 scoring offenses are generally overly heavy pass attacks.  Which makes it comical that Denver fans are trying to paint themselves as Seattle and Carolina Denver of a few seasons ago.

Carolina is an anomaly.  When is the last time a rushing team lead the NFL in scoring? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

24 minutes ago, CRA said:

#1 scoring offenses are generally overly heavy pass attacks.  Which makes it comical that Denver fans are trying to paint themselves as Seattle and Carolina Denver of a few seasons ago.

Carolina is an anomaly.  When is the last time a rushing team lead the NFL in scoring? 

Well we gotta remember, the only reason why the Panthers slightly rush more than they pass, is because when the Panthers have 2TD+ leads (no matter when) they usually start rushing the ball 2-3 downs on each possession.

If the Panther would play the way they did before they got their big lead, the passing #'s would be about 53-55%.

The last Cardinal game was a perfect example of this. The Panthers got tired of hearing about "2nd half collapses", so they kept the pressure on, and Cam ended up with 335 passing yards. If the Panthers did their usual, Cam would have ended up with about 170+ yards or so, as he did vs Seattle the preceding game.

Nonetheless, your points not lost that the Panthers have Stew, Tolbert, [even] Cam, and an OL that can maul defenders.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Those were the days lol 
    • Have you even been reading my posts?  I'm not so sure because you seem to insinuate that I'm expecting some monster year 1 season, but I've time and time again said I'm only expecting 800 yards from him as a rookie.  Because like you said, it's not in his control, we have a bunch of good receiving options and two 1k yard RBs in what should be a run first offense. And yes, I'm very much a T-Mac homer, I've never once denied it, I'm an Arizona alumni who has been open about that from the very first thread I made about him over 18 months ago. But that doesn't mean I'm blindly expecting him to be an All Pro as a rookie, I just know more about his game than most people here who watch his highlights and breakdowns.  Which generally focus on the things he does best and worst to highlight his best abilities (his downfield contested catches) and where he needs to improve (separation) as those are the two things fans care most about when talking about the draft. What those breakdowns don't cover much are the "boring and mundane" things he does very well and exactly what you are talking about needing for Bryce.   He was constantly used in the short passing game, whether they be WR screens or quick slants, to get the ball in his hands and let him make plays, it's why he was 5th in the Big 12 in YAC last year.  With his size and hands, when he runs a quick 5 yard slant in front of the defender and the QB delivers the ball on time with anticipation, creating buckets of separation isn't needed, he's going to make the catch and then get some YAC for a 1st down.  Go watch the 30 minute YT videos that string together every catch he made last year (or the same thing from 2023) and you'll see those plays constantly, but in the analyst breakdowns leading into the draft those things don't get discussed as much as the big plays and then the things he needs to work on, because they're just not as "sexy" to talk about as those. Per your ask... He has 3 main things he needs to improve upon, and again, "needing to improve" doesn't mean "he's terrible" at them, just things he can get better at, like all young players have things to work on. 1.  His get off at the snap.   For all the amazing things he did for us at Arizona, this was always the thing that would frustrate me the most, as he generally was a bit slow to fire off the line.  The nice thing is even in the minimal clips we've seen from rookie mini camp, his initial fire off the line already appears to have been sped up a lot, he clearly has been working on that in the lead up to the draft. 2.  His separation Yea, he's not a 6' quick twitch athlete, so his separation is never going to be at the level of a Chase or Jefferson.  I've always admitted that, but because he's not one of those guys, he also brings a lot of things that those others can't.  His catch radius and hands are why I'm not as concerned about his separation, because he's so good at making those contested catches by snatching the ball away from his body to where the defender can't get to it to break it up. But yes, he does still need to get better here, just as all rookies have things to improve upon. 3.  Using his body more physically This is something that he did at times, but he also is just a great athlete for his size and would often rely on his physical abilities to make defenders miss him in the open field than just power through them, which is fine in college.  But yes, at the next level, as he gets older and stronger, I'd like to see him use it more like Evans does, and that will come with time as he builds strength and develops that part of his game. Again, I implore you to to spend an hour watching those "Every catch from the X season" for his last two years in college.  If/when you do, I think you're going to be very surprised by the number of times we used him in the short passing game and let him gain YAC to move the ball down the field.
×
×
  • Create New...