No team will hire Shula after that playcalling and Panthers won't release him after he ran the #1 scoring offense

[Growl]

how about our second year defensive end making a one handed pick in the super bowl (after sitting most of the year year behind charles johnson lol) only for us to to do absolutely nothing with it

 

correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was the drive where we started out with a first down run into the middle of the defense for no yardage

[Growl]

(followed, I think, by that stupid trick play that Mike no doubt spent the entire bye week drawing up)

[SportsCrazie4172]

14 minutes ago, Growl said:

As I said the other day, there is no funnier-nor sadder-element to this than the following:

 

Mike Shula actively went into this game trying to play the kind of game Denver wanted. A quick, low scoring games with few offensive plays. I don't even think we went to tempo  at any point, despite it's success this year against tough defenses and us being down two scores. You wanna slow down a nasty edge rush? How about speeding up the entire offense rather than running straight into a talented 9 man front over and over and over again like some junkie beating his head against a wall trying to get the talking octopi out of his head.

the man is stubborn and it cost us the Super Bowl.

 

 

 

As Denver stated after the Superbowl..the same plays we ran were all in the film they watched..they weren't surprise at anything ran..it was predictable and pretty much the game handed to them..Shula thought he could run the same game plan and Denver wouldnt be able to stop Carolina..that is more of an arrogance issue than preparation for the biggest stage of the NFL

[Rocky Davis]

10 hours ago, PhillyB said:

still not sure how shula is getting the burn for all this. running those plays up the gut is precisely how you negate crashing ends.

"we kept running long developing routes" is a myth and a reflexive holdover from the first half of 2014. we ran a ton of short stuff and just didn't connect on it, or ended up with turnovers at absolutely horrible times.

take away cam's pick (teddy's fault) and tolbert's second fumble and i think we win this game.

I watched the game again last night and I have to ultimately agree with you.  

The classic way to stop an aggressive edge pass rush is to run the ball up the middle or off tackle....my wife asked me why we kept running and my response was to make Denver slow the rush down and respect some aspect of our run game.

I also did see more short routes on my second watch than I did live.  Cam missed a couple of these with poor passes (possibly due to the pressure) and missed some open men due to the pressure.

The turnovers killed us and not taking advantage of good starting field position on two occasions hurt our chances too.

I will say though, Shula along with the o-line coordinator should have made some adjustments in the protection scheme even if it was simply telling Stewie, Tolbert, Dickson, Olsen, et. al. to stay on their assigned block (I know, easier said than done).  Also, I think you at least try a couple of screens and quick slants to start the second half.

[ckad79]

Statistically the best defense always beats a best offense. We hit the same roadblock that a lot of other teams have. I think if we were tougher and more physical out of the gate like we were against Arizona and Seattle previously, we would have had a better chance. Maybe it was just me but we didn't seem sharp out there or with it. Maybe next year but we need to learn to keep our personalities and focus in big games, especially the biggest game.

[CPF4LIFE]

Oh my god....the trick play just flashed in my head again after that turnover......AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!

[AceBoogie]

Don't know why people continue to defend Shula. He was good all season, but called a scared game. No urgency in the second half and we came out playing like we were up by 30.

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, Growl said:

(followed, I think, by that stupid trick play that Mike no doubt spent the entire bye week drawing up)

If you're going to call that play then you call it on first down. And not one damn screen called against a defense sending everybody on every play.

[KillerKat]

We did nothing Sunday that we had been doing all year. Even with our mistakes, we were still in it midway through the 4th. Yet Shula kept calling the same dumbass plays. He didn't help Cam at all. No short routes. Hardly any slants or screens. The offense looked exactly like 2014. He took total control of it. Yes he is on top of the list.

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, Zaximus said:

Shula absolutely was trash.  No excuses guys.  Two weeks to prepare and we looked out of it.  I know Denver is a beast, I know you can't stop them all the time, but we looked unprepared.  As others said, he continued to put this offense in 2nd and long against the #1 defense.   I seen hardly any slants.  We should have been running more of those to keep their defense honest.  This looked like a John Fox team out there.   

If memory serves, we ran 2 slants, both of which worked to perfection.  And (if memory serves yet again), we ran ZERO screens to the RBs.

 

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I really think Shula took Cam's ability to change things away from him for this game.  Something was really off.  I actually think we should have ran Cam more than we did, for once, being the Super Bowl and all. 

To support this point, its incredibly difficult for a QB to scan the defense pre-snap and change a play when the offense isn't getting to the line until there's about 7 seconds left on the play clock.

[KillerKat]

11 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

why the absolute fug would you want to get rid of the OC who orchestrated the #1 offense with mediocre receivers? what part of #1 offense in the league is hard to understand? there isn't one better. his offense was #1. jeebus.

Because he didn't orchestrate that. Sunday proved it. He took control and the offense went back a full year. Looked nothing like this season. 

[tiger7_88]

10 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

To support this point, its incredibly difficult for a QB to scan the defense pre-snap and change a play when the offense isn't getting to the line until there's about 7 seconds left on the play clock.

And, to follow up on this (and, yes, I just quoted myself), coming to the line with very little time on the play clock just made it easier on Miller and Ware to get their damn head-start on their pass rush.

[KB_fan]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

And, to follow up on this (and, yes, I just quoted myself), coming to the line with very little time on the play clock just made it easier on Miller and Ware to get their damn head-start on their pass rush.

Yes, I noticed that live during the game.  There was a good chunk where we were very rushed on the play to beat the clock, and of course the one delay of game.

[pantherclaw]

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