Gauging Josh Norman's contract value

[juliosantos]

14 hours ago, Catweisers said:

Moose taught me a little bit about contract years.  His next best year would be when contract was up.

I truly believe Norman is a product of our defensive system!!  The pressure we get from the front 4 gives little time for QB's to set and throw.  Our front 7 can cover a multitude of flaws in DB"s.

That being said, he seems to have no feeling for the team that saw promise in him and gave him chance.  If he can't be happy at 10 mil. a year then go to another team.  Just ask Ginn how that turned out.

our pass rush was average at best other then kk

[johnnydefence]

The number is the number its not going to change. Either we pay him or not. Either we factor his contract into our long term plans or not. If you want an elite corner the number is the number. All this discount stuff is crazy.

The kid has played for rookie minimum wage for 4 years. The next 3 years will be the only time he will have in his entire life to profit off his amazing skill set. This is the burden of having great position coaches that develop potential into talent. I think the silver lining is that these coaches just got another 2 year deal.

[KB_fan]

1 hour ago, johnnydefence said:

 This is the burden of having great position coaches that develop potential into talent.

Such a nice problem to have.  But yeah, it makes letting some guys go that much harder when you've invested so much time & energy etc. in developing them.

Does Dave have enough Gettlemagic to keep Josh, KK, Star, Trai, Norwell, KB, Bene, Ealy...., all of whom are showing such promise?  That would be some amazing wizardry!!!

[PandaPancake]

I wonder if no equestrian activities is a stipulation

[adub2b23]

I wouldn't want to sign him for 5 years. 33 year old cornerback making 14 mil/year ? No thanks. I wouldn't want him for more than like 3 years, I say tag him once or twice and then move on.

[thefuzz]

The real contract will start at 3 years and 39M guaranteed....or 13 guaranteed per season for the first 3 years, with the 4th or 5th year being voidable by the team.

[davos]

With the new cap and considering the Rams are valuing Trumaine Johnson enough to franchise him, we're looking at at least a Joe Haden type contract (just not as long).  Factoring base+bonus, a 13.5 mil annual type cap hit.  Interestingly enough, that's right around the tag. 

[johnnydefence]

1 hour ago, KB_fan said:

Such a nice problem to have.  But yeah, it makes letting some guys go that much harder when you've invested so much time & energy etc. in developing them.

Does Dave have enough Gettlemagic to keep Josh, KK, Star, Trai, Norwell, KB, Bene, Ealy...., all of whom are showing such promise?  That would be some amazing wizardry!!!

These guys are great, no question but they had early opportunity. Heck, look what our seventh round draft pick captain m. turned into because he an NFL opportunity. Next man plus gettlemagic feels like a winning combo. 

We survived when Chris Gamble retired and I am hearing Lou Young is the next project that needs opportunity.  I hope we give Josh Norman every penny he deserves and  that the deal is structured so we can facilitate bitch signings of at least one of the interior beast. 

[rwoods3428]

21 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

21 hours ago, Catweisers said:

Moose taught me a little bit about contract years.  His next best year would be when contract was up.

I truly believe Norman is a product of our defensive system!!  The pressure we get from the front 4 gives little time for QB's to set and throw.  Our front 7 can cover a multitude of flaws in DB"s.

That being said, he seems to have no feeling for the team that saw promise in him and gave him chance.  If he can't be happy at 10 mil. a year then go to another team.  Just ask Ginn how that turned out.

Tag doesn't set the floor. Usually a tagged player signs for less per year than the value of the tag. I think $12mil a year is good for both sides. Long term security for him and plenty of money and the respect of being one of the highest paid CBs. 

12 mil a year would be a great deal no doubt, especially when considering the top cb get 14 mil a year, and while Norman played like the top cb last year I think it's important to look at the fact that Norman hasn't maintained this success over the course of his career. Another thing to consider is who is the most important player on our defense? Obiously that's Luke. I don't see the panthers paying Norman more than Luke. Right now I think Luke is making 12 mil a year or so. Norman deserves to get paid and he will. I just don't think he should get as much as he is looking for.

[Bartin]

11 minutes ago, rwoods3428 said:

12 mil a year would be a great deal no doubt, especially when considering the top cb get 14 mil a year, and while Norman played like the top cb last year I think it's important to look at the fact that Norman hasn't maintained this success over the course of his career. Another thing to consider is who is the most important player on our defense? Obiously that's Luke. I don't see the panthers paying Norman more than Luke. Right now I think Luke is making 12 mil a year or so. Norman deserves to get paid and he will. I just don't think he should get as much as he is looking for.

Luke's gonna be the 3rd highest paid player on the defense and the 4th highest on the team when Norman and Short get new deals.

[TheNewStandard]

7 hours ago, johnnydefence said:

The number is the number its not going to change. Either we pay him or not. Either we factor his contract into our long term plans or not. If you want an elite corner the number is the number. All this discount stuff is crazy.

The kid has played for rookie minimum wage for 4 years. The next 3 years will be the only time he will have in his entire life to profit off his amazing skill set. This is the burden of having great position coaches that develop potential into talent. I think the silver lining is that these coaches just got another 2 year deal.

The Patriots have made a living off of trading away "program players" for draft picks and signing jag's and if it wasn't for him coming up on a unrestricted FA year, I'd bet we'd be doing the same thing with J-no.

The team is built up the middle on both sides of the ball and I'm leaning on Gettleman devaluing secondary players and saving our max contracts for players like KK, Short and continuing to build the interior and pass rush in the draft. 

If Norman is as great as he thinks he is, he'll holdout if he gets franchised and luckily, we can actually afford to shop for mid-caliber guys that want to play for a contender at reasonable prices. 

I say let him hit the market if he won't take a reasonable deal. I know Gett's has said "we don't want to develop players for other teams," but it can be argued that Coleman had just as much of a good season as did Norman so I know we could get guys that can cover and execute with given opportunities. 

[Panthers8969]

21 hours ago, firefox1234 said:

I don't think JNO takes less than 13m/yr and he has shown no sign he would be interested in a hometown discount

except of course, say he would take a hometown discount lol

[CPF4LIFE]

2 hours ago, rwoods3428 said:

12 mil a year would be a great deal no doubt, especially when considering the top cb get 14 mil a year, and while Norman played like the top cb last year I think it's important to look at the fact that Norman hasn't maintained this success over the course of his career. Another thing to consider is who is the most important player on our defense? Obiously that's Luke. I don't see the panthers paying Norman more than Luke. Right now I think Luke is making 12 mil a year or so. Norman deserves to get paid and he will. I just don't think he should get as much as he is looking for.

A non pass rushing Linebacker getting more money than all pro CBs and D linemen???

You really have the market misunderstood.

[juliosantos]

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