Sorry. Gettlemens Draft This Year Blows

[heel31ok]

On 4/30/2016 at 11:02 PM, chknwing said:

Draft a 3rd String DT in the 1st round and double dip on 6th round CBs in the 2nd/3rd rounds.  He did the exact opposite of what hes been preaching for the past few years and reached for a position of need twice.  I get he likes these guys but he could have gotten them much lower in the draft.  He could have trade down the 2nd rounder and picked up the pick he needed to move up to get worley.  Just some really poor value.  I wont call them wasted picks because they may be good players.  Just horrible value.

 

value is the correct word...question, what would be the difference between drafting Cash and bringing in UDFA?...and why didn't we draft this Garrett kid instead of letting him fall to us as a FA ?

[Cpt slay a ho]

20 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

And to assuage your concern you choose to question the guy whose moves have been mostly reliable since he's been here.

 

The strawman this early in your post?  Excellllllllllllllllllllllllent. 

 

Ponder on the bolded/underlined statement for a moment and tell me what possible conclusion you can draw from it.

So Dg is perfect? If not I see no problem questioning certain moves he's made regardless his track record,barring something that's a no brainer. What strawman argument? Op and plenty others rarely question the moves made by the front office but when they do a bunch of generic response fill the first 3 pages easily with posters overblowng the situation or context of discussion.  Besides his small school picks people rarely complain about his picks, sure we may have wanted different people but not going overboard calling for his head or anything irrational. Dg has done a great job but I'm not going to act like he's infallible 

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

So Dg is perfect?

Strawman #2!  Nice!

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Dg has done a great job but I'm not going to act like he's infallible 

Strawman #3!  Keep'em comin'!

[csx]

13 hours ago, heel31ok said:

value is the correct word...question, what would be the difference between drafting Cash and bringing in UDFA?...and why didn't we draft this Garrett kid instead of letting him fall to us as a FA ?

The assumption would be there was a relationship in place where they had confidence in those 2 chosing the Panthers over the 20 other offers they received.

[Cpt slay a ho]

42 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Strawman #2!  Nice!

Strawman #3!  Keep'em comin'!

You're taking certain excerpt of my full post but yet claiming I'm using strawman argument 

google hypocrite and get back to me 

[CRA]

18 hours ago, dugbug said:

I think we have an amazing gm and a killer players coach.  On their own they were not that successful

Ron clearly has grown as a coach.  Which makes perfect sense.  Those slight changes IMO are the reason we win.  Ron's 6 win and 7 win teams pre Gettlemen easily wouldn't of been losing seasons with Riverboat playcalls.

So yeah....I don't think you can credit Gettlemen with the natural progression of Ron (which Ron always commented on from day 1 that he would have to learn and grow like Cam)

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Ron clearly has grown as a coach.  Which makes perfect sense.  Those slight changes IMO are the reason we win.  Ron's 6 win and 7 win teams pre Gettlemen easily wouldn't of been losing seasons with Riverboat playcalls.

So yeah....I don't think you can credit Gettlemen with the natural progression of Ron (which Ron always commented on from day 1 that he would have to learn and grow like Cam)

we might have won a few more games in 2012 but i think even the 2007 patriots would have had a ceiling of 9-7 on the 2011 team no matter how many times ron would have gone for it on 4th down.

the 2011 team was one of the top offenses in football that season, tied for 5th in scoring but was still 6-10.  i think a lot of the losing that year had to do with an immense amount of pressure being put on cam to win in shootouts because we just couldn't stop anybody on the other side of the ball, and it was a genuine personnel problem.  the LB corps was atrocious after davis and beason went down and it's not like a d-line with charles johnson, a still-developing greg hardy, and two rookie starters who would prove to be eventual busts was anything but a sieve funneling punishment at them.

i'm not even sure riverboat ron makes an extra win's worth of difference in 2011.  chud came out of the gate having cam sling it all over the field and it still didn't translate to wins.

[CRA]

21 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

we might have won a few more games in 2012 but i think even the 2007 patriots would have had a ceiling of 9-7 on the 2011 team no matter how many times ron would have gone for it on 4th down.

the 2011 team was one of the top offenses in football that season, tied for 5th in scoring but was still 6-10.  i think a lot of the losing that year had to do with an immense amount of pressure being put on cam to win in shootouts because we just couldn't stop anybody on the other side of the ball, and it was a genuine personnel problem.  the LB corps was atrocious after davis and beason went down and it's not like a d-line with charles johnson, a still-developing greg hardy, and two rookie starters who would prove to be eventual busts was anything but a sieve funneling punishment at them.

i'm not even sure riverboat ron makes an extra win's worth of difference in 2011.  chud came out of the gate having cam sling it all over the field and it still didn't translate to wins.

that 2011 team lead held the lead in almost every game in the 2nd half.  No way that team had a ceiling of 9 wins.

that was the season of basically anti-Riverboat.  Ron, at that time, had no clue what do to with a lead.  2016 Ron could coach that team to double digit wins IMO.

We took care of teams just fine in the first half of games consistently all season...2nd half we disappeared on both sides.  That was coaching.  When you consistently do what we did.....it was Ron and part of this growth.

You give most people the option to keep Ron or Gettlemen right now?  I think it is a debate....and IMO it shouldn't be. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

yeah the patriots thing was an exaggeration.  but, ron goes and gettleman has to hire a new head coach and coaching staff?  i think we'd get by.

and that's no slight against rivera.

e: and nah, i don't think any amount of coaching would have helped that defense stop anybody.  it was almost the worst in the league and was pathetic talent-wise due to injuries early in the season.  that was a major reason why we couldn't hold on to leads.

[Ricky Spanish]

IGWT

In Gettleman We Trust

[Jon Snow]

Dave>Marty every time.  If you've noticed, Ron didn't start winning until Dave started getting rid of Marty's trash.  Built a better roster and the team took off.   I can smell what ol Dave's got cooking.   Have fun kids.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

that was the season of basically anti-Riverboat.  Ron, at that time, had no clue what do to with a lead.  2016 Ron could coach that team to double digit wins IMO.

The thing is, we lost a number of games that year in the same way we COULD have lost 2 or 3 this year if this year's team hadn't been sooooooooooooo much better.

Went into a second half shell and in 2012 it costs us plenty... in 2015 it just puckered our butts but we held on and pulled through.  Same ol' Ron strategy though... lead is plenty big, lets play it safe and play defense.  Ron still hasn't realized that, unlike the 1980's, teams can score two sometime 3 touchdowns in minutes in today's NFL if all you're gonna do is lay back and let'em score.