Geoff Schwatz provides context on why Bene was cut.

[TheRed]

If it's an issue of being out of shape, that's one thing.

But if they cut him because he said he was gassed, that's seems petty. Trying to contain Julie Jones isn't exactly a cocktail party. Our whole team looked to be just going through the motions at times against Atlanta.

[panthers55]

Being gassed is a poor excuse when you do this job for a living. My seventeen year old plays soccer and runs hard for 90 minutes straight and says he isn't tired and would play every second of every minute. Just for the record, he plays striker and his nickname is maddog because he is relentless. Don't tell me a guy in his early 20s making hundred of thousands of dollars shouldn"t be in shape. What do you think most of his rehab was? Strength building and conditioning. If he was cut you can bet his conditioning has been an issue for some time. Maybe he will clear waivers and go back on the practice squad.

[raleigh-panther]

 

..so what about  the position coach who watched him day in and day out and the coordinator who did the personnel groupings

...or you know the GM who drafted him in 2014

just sayin. Guess it's easier to fire the player than look in the mirror at who put the player in that position 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Being gassed is a poor excuse when you do this job for a living. My seventeen year old play soccer and runs hard for 90 minutes straight and says he isn't tired and would play every second of every minute. Just for the record, he plays striker and his nickname is maddog because he is relentless. Don't tell me a guy in his early 20s making hundred of thousands of dollars should be in shape. What do you think most of his rehab was? Strength building and conditioning. If he was cut you can bet his conditioning has been an issue for some time. Maybe he will clear waivers and go back on the practice squad.

Totally incomparable. The margin of error is tiny in the NFL.  Nonexistent vs. a WR the caliber of Julio. "Not tired" to a kid is different than an NFL player being even a half a step slow because he's winded.

[PhillyB]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

If it's an issue of being out of shape, that's one thing.

But if they cut him because he said he was gassed, that's seems petty. Trying to contain Julie Jones isn't exactly a cocktail party. Our whole team looked to be just going through the motions at times against Atlanta.

gassed? yes, that's awful.

gassed because he was out of shape and didn't take conditioning seriously? ehh, fug it, cut him. he's not going to recondition to an nfl level in a couple weeks, and it's hard to imagine sanchez also allowing 300 yards to julio jones and giving up on plays.

there will be no tangible dropoff in performance and this also lights a fire under everybody's asses going into a must-win game. now that i'm over the shock of it it's actually starting to make sense.

[Camp Fodder]

2 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

gassed? yes, that's awful.

gassed because he was out of shape and didn't take conditioning seriously? ehh, fug it, cut him. he's not going to recondition to an nfl level in a couple weeks, and it's hard to imagine sanchez also allowing 300 yards to julio jones and giving up on plays.

there will be no tangible dropoff in performance and this also lights a fire under everybody's asses going into a must-win game. now that i'm over the shock of it it's actually starting to make sense.

We cut a starter with like 13 guys on the injury report

[Growl]

Man I thought Schwartz actually knew something.

[Johnny Rockets]

For those that are interested, Bene did his usual in studio weekly interview with WFNZ a couple of days ago and discussed what happened with Julio. He was very candid and admitted that he has been out of shape. Pretty sure this is what Geoff Schwartz is referring to. Link to the interview is below. 

http://wfnz.com/2016/10/04/bene-benwikere-opens-up-about-julio-jones-big-game-panthers-struggles/

Not to jump to conclusions but it is odd that Jordan Gross used to be a regular on WFNZ and was reportedly "pushed out", Steve Smith used to co-host on WFNZ and was cut, Norman gave interviews all the time and is gone, now Bene. Like I said, not to jump to conclusions but that is a bit of a pattern. 

[TheRed]

Just now, PhillyB said:

gassed? yes, that's awful.

gassed because he was out of shape and didn't take conditioning seriously? ehh, fug it, cut him. he's not going to recondition to an nfl level in a couple weeks, and it's hard to imagine sanchez also allowing 300 yards to julio jones and giving up on plays.

there will be no tangible dropoff in performance and this also lights a fire under everybody's asses going into a must-win game. now that i'm over the shock of it it's actually starting to make sense.

Wasn't the reason we sent Sanchez down to the practice squad in the first place because he needed to bulk up? I think he can make plays for us as far as interceptions, but people are definitely going to have to be patient with him.

Look, if we cut him for being out of shape and lack of effort to motivate other guys, fine. If such as the case. We need to continue setting examples, starting with our OL. My concern with Ron is and always has been his blinders he has on for certain players over others. We'll see how it plays out.

[PhillyB]

1 minute ago, Camp Fodder said:

We cut a starter with like 13 guys on the injury report

that's the only thing that really befuddles me at this point. i don't see why you don't do it the monday after the loss to give sanchez all week to prepare, or just give sanchez the reps monday night and cut bene on tuesday.

i can see how cutting him now if you're going to cut him anyway does make more sense though because it has the added benefit of waking everybody the fug up. i guarantee you there will be zero loafing monday night. and if we roll that into a convincing win it may just snap the team out of the malaise it's been mired in

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Totally incomparable. The margin of error is tiny in the NFL.  Nonexistent vs. a WR the caliber of Julio. "Not tired" to a kid is different than an NFL player being even a half a step slow because he's winded.

Of course it is comparable. We aren't talking skill, we are talking conditioning and heart. And saying you are gassed is a poor excuse for anything. The receiver is just as tired as you are. It is about heart and desire and imposing your will on the opponent.  Why do some guys run fast even when they are tired and other players dog it. Everyone has the ability at this level but not everyone has the desire to be great. If you watched the game you would see that there was a lot more wrong than he was tired. Poor angles, biting on double moves, etc. They likely were hoping he was recover but realize he is not the player he was last year.

[PhillyB]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Wasn't the reason we sent Sanchez down to the practice squad in the first place because he needed to bulk up? I think he can make plays for us as far as interceptions, but people are definitely going to have to be patient with him.

Look, if we cut him for being out of shape and lack of effort to motivate other guys, fine. If such as the case. We need to continue setting examples, starting with our OL. My concern with Ron is and always has been his blinders he has on for certain players over others. We'll see how it plays out.

yeah he was a little ass dude. i honestly would feel more comfortable with him playing in the slot and kicking mcclain out wide (where he played after tillman went down, iirc) but i guess he's shown something in practice.

[Mvp2014]

1 minute ago, Johnny Rockets said:

For those that are interested, Bene did his usual in studio weekly interview with WFNZ a couple of days ago and discussed what happened with Julio. He was very candid and admitted that he has been out of shape. Pretty sure this is what Geoff Schwartz is referring to. Link to the interview is below. 

http://wfnz.com/2016/10/04/bene-benwikere-opens-up-about-julio-jones-big-game-panthers-struggles/

Not to jump to conclusions but it is odd that Jordan Gross used to be a regular on WFNZ and was reportedly "pushed out", Steve Smith used to co-host on WFNZ and was cut, Norman gave interviews all the time and is gone, now Bene. Like I said, not to jump to conclusions but that is a bit of a pattern. 

Conclusions jumped

 Dave is old school.  Had this been 20 years ago they'd be at the bottom of the Hudson.  You don't talk outside the family..

[Clicheking]

Hmmmm not sure that had a lot to do with it. Everyone could see he was winded even if he didn't say it, I think it's because he's lost a step since that inury. He couldn't even keep up at the beginning of games well before fatigue plays a factor.