This Season May Actually Be A Blessing In Disguise

[d-dave]

45 minutes ago, greghardy'sAK-47 said:

I guess I understand what you guys mean if you are coming at it from the POV that if mistakes were gonna be made, then Getts way of making them is way less damaging on the long-term.  It's just very frustrating to see a team crumble like this when I didn't think a whole lot needed to be done in order to remain legit.  I get the Dline isn't up to snuff, and that was largely unforeseen, but the secondary is inexcusable.  On offense I see it more as a coaching/discipline problem going on than the personnel not being up to snuff.  Also, this offense is clearly a lot more dynamic with Stewart healthy.

I'm of the same thought process that Getts' past should buy him time to right the ship.  I think most any other GM would be in trouble right about now.  

Hold on...have we had a civil debate on the pros and cons of our perspectives without falling to insults?

Are we going to get banned??? =)

We're all frustrated.  So much potential, so much hope, so much frustration at this season.  I'm hoping that the bye week sees some improvement in the mistakes and execution.  That would go a good ways to helping dig ourselves out of this hole.

[KB_fan]

15 hours ago, Saca312 said:

We're rebuilding to be contenders for multiple years, not just this one season. Superbowls are not guaranteed anyhow, so would you rather have one possible season of hoping we'd make it, or be formidable for multiple seasons and get many chances to get there? 

I appreciate the effort that went into your post.  And I understand and agree that Gettleman has to take the long-term view.  But honestly right now I just don't see that he's succeeding. 

What young players are we successfully developing at the moment who might turn us back into formidable contenders?  The only really good young players we have are already playing... and losing.

CAP?  He's serviceable but doesn't look like a J-Stew replacement?

Anyone at TE?  Sandland doesn't seem to be living up to even fairly low expectations.

Oline:  Daryl Williams?  Not really looking like he's a starting tackle, though just maybe with the current experience he's getting he might possibly be serviceable at RT.   Norwell & Turner are awesome.  No complaints about them, though Turner has had so many penalties (not all his fault) this season.  Kalil is not getting any younger.  We need to be looking for a future Center.  And same with Oher and LT.  We have no potential future Oline starters on the roster.

WR:  Here, we're a little better:  Benji, Funchess & Byrd all do show some promise... but I'm not sure any of them are going to be all-pros.  Maybe Benji.  But I'm not totally sold...

D-line:  Ealy is not living up to expectations.  This is his 3rd year, he should be breaking out.  Not happening.  We don't seem to have any other promising starting-caliber DEs were actually developing.

DTs:  ok, here we're stacked with KK, Star & hopefully Butler.  But they can't win games alone.

LBs:  Shaq is looking solid.  But we may be letting Klein go, and TD is aging, so this is a bit of a wash.

DBs:  I like Bradberry.  But Tre Boston is maddeningly inconsistent.  Bene is gone...

If we truly were trying to build for the future I would expect there would be more promising players, potential future starters...especially on our lines, that we'd be grooming players to replace those retiring.  But by dratfing 3 CBs this season, that totally did not happen and now we are dangerously thin and short of talent at quite a few positions.

I'm worried.

 

 

[jptaylor84]

Losing this bad may actually tel Gettleman he needs to sort this crap out.. we have neglected so many positions for years, he has not addressed the OTs the DEs or RB since being here, Ealy to me may break out later like Hardy did but I see no explosiveness in his ability to be a huge sack man, so we need someone opposite him who will be. The tackles need to be addressed and this offseason is a perfect time to do so with one if not two signings via free agency or draft.. keep Oher whilst we bed in a rookie, Oher is more serviceable than Remmers.. our safety position is woeful, we need a hard hitting dominant safety outhere as insurance for the young corners, id be hopeful of a complimentary TE for Olsen too.. if Cam is seen as a throw high hard and fast guy, go get a tight end play more two TE sets and get away from these slow average route running receivers that we have.
We cannot rely on Stew we need to find that guy who's going to take over from him.

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[Shotgun]

4 hours ago, arbnranger said:

Losing is also a part of this game and part of life. How you deal with and what you learn from it is the most important part. 

You win, or you learn. 

The Browns have "learned" a lot over the years then!

[arbnranger]

1 minute ago, Shotgun said:

The Browns have "learned" a lot over the years then!

Haha yep or a good example of never learning. 

[CPantherKing]

This season was SB or BUST. Everyone knew that.

Why Gettleman chose to handicap the team in a SB or bust year no one knows?

You do understand the debacle in 2014 with the secondary, receivers, and OTs led to that season going down the tubes, and now he has done it again with the secondary, receivers, and OTs.

This will take at least until 2018 to get that secondary up and running at a SB level. If Gettleman goes out and rents more vets for 2017 only to cut them in 2018 while still not addressing the OTs or a WR for 3rd down with reliable hands, then he suckered us all for 7 to 8 seasons.

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde GM. Going to drive us all mad.

[JARROD]

A valid argument. I'm sure they also thought our front would put out a lot more than they have, and many of these crazy boneheaded mistakes weren't made last year.

The gamble was probably to save a ton of money, let us limp 3-3 or 4-2 into the bye week, fix it and make a push, but then have a ton of money to shore up the next couple of years instead of just whoring everything out for this year,..

I'll buy that logic.

What does escape me is the chunking of the DB vets. We could have kept Harper and Tillman for example and I'm sure our secondary would be playing better right now.

Sanchez may be better than Bene eventually-- but not today,.. so I'm not sure about that one either.

So it's this logic coupled with the suspicion of tanking it on purpose,..

For that to hold true, is next years draft heavy in tackles and DE ? If that's true then it's possible.


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6 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Wait, wasn't Gettleman viewed as too cold hearted? Now he overvalues? I honestly believe a lot of players are playing like poo because our coaching staff are being incompetent. Like it or not, Tolbert and Johnson are Allen and Tillman are this point. They're here as a veteran presence.

I never called gettleman cold hearted.. I am giving my 2 cents on gettleman.. I don't even hate gettleman, but he better have one hell of a offseason if he wants to redeem himself.

[Saca312]

1 hour ago, JARROD said:

A valid argument. I'm sure they also thought our front would put out a lot more than they have, and many of these crazy boneheaded mistakes weren't made last year.

The gamble was probably to save a ton of money, let us limp 3-3 or 4-2 into the bye week, fix it and make a push, but then have a ton of money to shore up the next couple of years instead of just whoring everything out for this year,..

I'll buy that logic.

What does escape me is the chunking of the DB vets. We could have kept Harper and Tillman for example and I'm sure our secondary would be playing better right now.

Sanchez may be better than Bene eventually-- but not today,.. so I'm not sure about that one either.

So it's this logic coupled with the suspicion of tanking it on purpose,..

For that to hold true, is next years draft heavy in tackles and DE ? If that's true then it's possible.


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Harper provided vet leadership and direction, but most of our safeties amazing play was obviously helped by Norman. I actually think we'd still be this bad if we had Harper, but I can still see direction and not so much our secondary looking like lost sheep.

Tillman on the other hand had tore his ACL again, and looked like he was ready to retire anyway, which he did.

[Saca312]

6 hours ago, Ornias said:

Getting our franchise QB brain damaged because he has no tackles does not help us in the future. 

Fair point, but the sad thing is there's barely any tackles out there most teams are willing to trade that'd be more servicable than what we already have. Joe Thomas? He's aging, sure he's good, but there are other teams looking for him as well (hear a lot of Broncos talking about him like us)

 

But what's necessary is Dave HAS to make moves the next offseason. There's just no way around it.

[beastson]

21 hours ago, motocross_cat said:

Yea yall just wait till next year!

Oh and for gods sake dont quote posts that long.  Jeez laweez.

hahahaha

[IMissChrisWeinke]

I don't see it that way. One season isn't enough to condemn him. A lot of of our core players just didn't show up this season and our coaching errors have been stupendous.

Right

But it does hurt that even if you do become one of the best in your position, you won't even get franchise dollar...

I think that he can salvage a group that can head into next year as playoff viable, so he is here to stay unless he makes similar mistakes.


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[MVPccaffrey]

I'm starting to come around on this.  Disappointing season to be sure, but potentially adding a top 5-7 talent is very intriguing.  Especially if we get Garret or Peppers.  

Suddenly with 50 million in cap-space, bringing in another vet DE, CB, and Safety, and we're looking at a roster that could potentially boast more talent than last year.  Starting Bradberry and a decent vet on the other side, and sliding Coleman back to his original position paired with another vet, and I don't see much dropoff compared to when Norman was back there.

 

Offensive tackle is the one spot I absolutely hope we don't draft in the first round.  We only really need one and now is not the time to try and develop a talent there, when given the rest of the line what we need is a vet who can come in and play even just adequately straight away.  If we go offense I hope we take a look at a replacement for Stewart.

[Panthers8969]

I thought this was going to be a miles garret/jabril peppers/ fornette thread. Boy was I wrong