Spotrac predicts KK contract

[Growl]

8 minutes ago, rodeo said:

After Norman players are going to know they can just refuse to sign the tag and then go anywhere they want for big money

Yeah. These guys will get the money they want on the open market. Banking on other teams to not be as "frugal" as we are was a pipe dream. Elite players don't simply not play.

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6 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Interesting, would you trade him for #12? I assume that  G-MAN doesn't pay $18.2 million for him, and we have been in the wings.

If you think Butler is halfway serviceable I would do this in a heartbeat. Especially with this draft being rich with positions of need. Getting Fournette/Adams then Cook/Hooker IMO would be more beneficial then a 1 year DT loan. Butler would go immediately from a 'luxury' pick to filling a position of need (potentially making that draft pick look a lot better).

[Growl]

1 minute ago, Bogart said:

But that's the reality in a salary cap era.  It's just not surfaced until now because most teams cave to the players demands out of desperation.  Dave don't play that.   No emotions involved, only business.   I'm not saying the players shouldn't get their money when they can, just don't expect their current team to fork it over.  As long as they get their money who cares where they get it if that's all that matters?

Dave doesn't play that and the Panthers don't play well. Nice little bit of cause and effect.

 

 

"but think of that sweet 3rd rounder we'll get!! Oh baby #DaveMagic!!"

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Growl said:

Dave doesn't play that and the Panthers don't play well. Nice little bit of cause and effect.

 

 

"but think of that sweet 3rd rounder we'll get!! Oh baby #DaveMagic!!"

So you advocate paying KK that kind of money?

[GoobyPls]

If we need to draft and bring in other free agent DT to keep you "fresh" you are not worth that money. Aaron Donald barely comes off the field.

[Snake]

Tag him and be done. If he wants to sit out a year then so be it. 

[Saca312]

14 minutes ago, rodeo said:

After Norman players are going to know they can just refuse to sign the tag and then go anywhere they want for big money

From Kawann Short's personal self, this is what he said:

Joe Person ‏@josephperson  3m3 minutes ago

Kawann Short says he would sign a franchise tag most most likely if that happens. Says he and Josh Norman are two different people.

Of course, agents say differently, but still most likely he'd sign it.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Saca312 said:

From Kawann Short's personal self, this is what he said:

Joe Person ‏@josephperson  3m3 minutes ago

Kawann Short says he would sign a franchise tag most most likely if that happens. Says he and Josh Norman are two different people.

Of course, agents say differently, but still most likely he'd sign it.

Most likely doesn't instill confidence he will.   

[Major wRecktum]

14 minutes ago, rodeo said:

After Norman players are going to know they can just refuse to sign the tag and then go anywhere they want for big money

What are you talking about?  Players and agents have "going to know"n this forever.  Nothing about the Norman situation turned on any light bulbs.  Free agents  were always free to go sign with whoever payed them what they wanted.  

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, Major wRecktum said:

What are you talking about?  Players and agents have "going to know"n this forever.  Nothing about the Norman situation turned on any light bulbs.  Free agents  were always free to go sign with whoever payed them what they wanted.  

It's Norman fanboy speak for Gettldouch is a meanie and nobody will sign with us.

[tiger7_88]

21 minutes ago, Bogart said:

He's got to sign it first but I agree.

At his age, I just can't see him sitting out a year and passing up a year of $13-14M guatanteed.

Doesn't mean he won't threaten to do so, just don't see him carrying through with the threat.

[Growl]

Ultimately Dave is going to have to overcompensate to keep Short, or we will lose another Pro Bowler which simply cannot happen. You will destroy this team.

 

Kawann Short wants to hit free agency, and with what happened last year to Norman, he has every bit of leverage. Dave will have to overcorrect in turn which will in itself establish its own bad precedent while limiting how much the Panthers can improve themselves now.

 

Dave has put himsef with no good options and he has nothing but his own egotism to blame. Rescinding the tag on Norman may have just been one of the worst executive decisions in the history of this sport.

 

You either pay Short what he asks or face an outright mutiny. Getting a 3rd rounder in return a year from now is laughable anyways, and not feasible really given how much work we need to put in in FA anyways.

 

Give him his money and players here will see Dave realizes the mistake he made and hardball him just as much as KK will.

 

Lose/lose and it is entirely the fault of Dave Gettleman rescinding the tag for literally no reason.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, rodeo said:

After Norman players are going to know they can just refuse to sign the tag and then go anywhere they want for big money

they would need the tag rescinded...like Norman.  Not signing it just means you sit out and don't get paid (and no one does that) 

[Ja Rhule]