ESPN says Panthers stink at franchise tagging

[therealmjl]

Saying Hardy was a mistake is low hanging fruit.

Glad we didn't come to a long term deal wth that idiot....so if we are looking at hindsight (which we are) I'd say the tag was a great move.

[therealmjl]

28 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It's funny that some of the good moves were franchising and not signing long term deals but Hardy was bad. I agree with you that while it sucked getting nothing, signing a contract with a $30M bonus would have been worse. Heck it was JR's decision to get 0 games out of him.


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Yea exactly...bad as it is to say at this point, had that Ray Rice footage not been released who knows how 2014 would have turned out and how the Hardy saga would have ended for that matter.

[rippadonn]

Wow, three threads with Greg Hardy in them. 

Regrets?

[KB_fan]

1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Hardy was a no-brainer tag. He was a top 3 DE in the league. Had all the tools, and produced. 

At worst, people just saw him as a strange dude at that time. No one thought domestic violence would happen.

That is just bad luck, not our fault at all.

I tend to agree with this.  Think Hardy's situation was mostly beyond the team's control.  Yes, we may have known he was a bit volatile, but his situation was a perfect storm.  (Ray Rice situation, pressure on the NFL and slapping Hardy on the Commissioner's list, it became an unprecedented situation....)

And the J-No situation was pretty crazy, sure, but I don't think you can call it a long-term screw-up given Bradberry's solid play & a #98 comp pick.  Sure, it bit us early last season starting 2 rookies at CB, no doubt.  But we had a lot of other problems too.  It's really to early to tell full long-term impact of letting Josh walk.  Let's see how long J-No plays at high level, how Bradberry & Worley mature, and what the Panthers do with their saved Cap money and increased draft capital THIS offseason.

[DamnItJake!]

Tired of ESPN anyways all they do is suck on the Patriots and Yankee's dong's!! The only good show is Mike and MIke and Highly Question the Hispanic Dad makes the show other than that its so biased its hard to watch kind of like CNN

[SCP]

Do you even franchise tag bro?


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[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Gilbert - No one other than the front office knows why the hell we did that. I remember when it happened and it made absolutely zero sense at the time too. 

Hardy - No one could have seen that coming. 

Jno - that was a combination of Gman sticking to his guns and Jno hiring an agent that had never negotiated an NFL contract. That was going to turn out bad. If he had hired an experienced agent, I'm guessing he probably would still be lacing up his cleats as a Panther at around 13 mill a year. 

Sticking to his guns shot us in the foot...then over drafted CB out of panic...

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[therealmjl]

10 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

Sticking to his guns shot us in the foot...then over drafted CB out of panic...

Define overdrafting? We got what look to be two solid starters locked in for the next x years in Bradberry and Worley....and a high comp pick in our back pocket for letting Norman walk.

So....we missed on the flyer for Sanchez? Is that it? 

[Mr. Miagi]

Since I've been a fan: Peppers, Hardy, Norman...... anyone else? 

Yea, I wouldn't disagree 

[The Lobo]

Hardy shouldn't count. We tagged him before he got in trouble. Gilbert I can't explain that one. I still sort of see why we rescinded Norman. Paying that much for a 30 year old corner is a tough move. Would he have played under a tag, I know he said he would have, but he didn't say that until the tag was pulled. It was a tough situation. 

[Woodie]

3 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Gilbert - No one other than the front office knows why the hell we did that. I remember when it happened and it made absolutely zero sense at the time too. 

Hardy - No one could have seen that coming. 

Jno - that was a combination of Gman sticking to his guns and Jno hiring an agent that had never negotiated an NFL contract. That was going to turn out bad. If he had hired an experienced agent, I'm guessing he probably would still be lacing up his cleats as a Panther at around 13 mill a year. 

For the most part, I think this is true about Norman.  However, I don't think the agent is the real reason Gettleman pulled the tag.  I think it was just the excuse.

This cannot be proven, and nobody from the Panthers would ever say or even insinuate it, but I truly think that the biggest reason Gettleman pulled the tag once he realized he wasn't going to be able to work something out with Norman was not because he didn't think we could get anything locked up, but because he was afraid of the problems Norman's mouth would cause if he wasn't happy about his contract situation. 

Norman is a very vocal person, and while he can be fun and entertaining to us fans, he can be a loose cannon to management.  And if he wasn't happy, how would he react?  I don't think anyone believes he would just have quietly played out the year.  Most likely, he would have been constantly talking about it.  And the more attention he got, the louder he would talk.  So I believe Gettleman thought there was too great of a risk that it would divide the locker room, destroying the comradery and bond we built up during the previous season.

[arbnranger]

The 1950's called, they said they wanted their reference to "stink" back. 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Woodie said:

For the most part, I think this is true about Norman.  However, I don't think the agent is the real reason Gettleman pulled the tag.  I think it was just the excuse.

This cannot be proven, and nobody from the Panthers would ever say or even insinuate it, but I truly think that the biggest reason Gettleman pulled the tag once he realized he wasn't going to be able to work something out with Norman was not because he didn't think we could get anything locked up, but because he was afraid of the problems Norman's mouth would cause if he wasn't happy about his contract situation. 

Norman is a very vocal person, and while he can be fun and entertaining to us fans, he can be a loose cannon to management.  And if he wasn't happy, how would he react?  I don't think anyone believes he would just have quietly played out the year.  Most likely, he would have been constantly talking about it.  And the more attention he got, the louder he would talk.  So I believe Gettleman thought there was too great of a risk that it would divide the locker room, destroying the comradery and bond we built up during the previous season.

Maybe so.

I didn't have an issue with letting Norman walk. I just had an issue with the way it was handled. If we were going to let Norman walk, that decision should've happened before every decent FA available was snatched up so we could've had a chance at getting decent vet CB to replace him and didn't have to spam draft picks at CBs. By the time we let him go, that ship had sailed. We shot ourselves in the foot by tying up $14M in cap space until there was no one left worth signing.