Bucky Brooks: Howard most complete TE in 10 years

[Ivan The Awesome]

4 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

I think the ideal draft for us is getting John Ross  or Solomon Thomas at 8, then trade back into the first to get Howard , Ramczyk, McCaffrey , or Cook. 

You don't draft a player with bad knees at #8. 

[The Lone Panther]

Trade our 1st to Cleveland for their 3rd, take Howard at #12. 

[csx]

Olsen and Howard have very similar production in college. Howard might even have the edge. It's not like Olsen was this major prospect coming in to the NFL. As rookies I'd say Howard is at least an equal prospect if not better than Greg was.

[CPF4LIFE]

58 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

I'm not a fan of trading down. 

The earliest I'll take Howard is in the late first. And even then I'd be wary. Both SPARQ and PFF were very complimentary to Howard but both left themselves room for error. Howard's success at this level will likely depend on the right scheme and system.

Howard isn't Olsen. He is Julius Thomas if he's stuck with a mediocre QB and system or potentially Jimmy Graham if he's with an elite QB and system.

With Shula here, Howard would be a wasted pick. People in here assume by just having 2 TE sets that we'll be back where we were in 2011. Nope. Not a chance.

Lol

[csx]

39 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Greg Olsen is a Pro Bowler and possibly a HOFer at this pace.  OJ Howard has yet to play a single snap in the NFL. It's beyond bold to even make the comparison. Production in college means nothing. Howard didn't even beat out Njoku in YPC, TDs and yards. Soooooooo...

Like I've stated numerous times, athletic TEs come and go all the time now. I don't see anything special about Howard. He's just another big body who can move well but is solely a mismatch weapon. He's not worth a Top 10 pick. He's Jimmy Graham at best.

Of course when you have hindsight it's easy. But that's not the point. Greg is good because he's savy and smart as poo. It took him until a year or two in to his time here to become what we consider him now.

You can't fault Howard for not being a pro yet when judging him as a prospect.  The fact is the as a prospect he's at least as good as Greg was as a prospect.  Talking about what Greg became the past 4 years has no bearing on Howard

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, csx said:

 

Didn't mean to quote you, but Montsta.

[top dawg]

5 hours ago, Montsta said:

I understand not having the foresight when Greg Olsen was drafted to put him in the upper echelon of tight ends, but how in the holy fuging fug can you write an article with the benefit of hindsight when discussing revolutionary tight ends and not drop Greg Olsen's name? Jordan Reed and Travis Kelce are you kidding me?

Just the fact that Olsen is Howard's pro comp is praise for both. View the bottom of the article.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000793010/article/the-book-on-oj-howard-most-complete-te-prospect-in-10-years

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Paypal bet?

$25 bucks says he's not on our radar. I could care less about what some article says about him being a complete TE. Ebron was supposedly the next Tony Gonzalez according to Brooks.

Pre-draft hype. Not buying it. Any takers?

Well, being that G-man has already mentioned him by name, I would think that already means he's on the radar. So, your bet is free money!

[top dawg]

5 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I'm with xclown. He's the worst case scenario I'd be ok with at #8.  I think he's gonna be very good, but Bucky brooks is not a guy I'd use to back up my opinion. Have you seen his latest mock?  It's atrocious. 

An individual analysis of a player, complete with opinions of some league types, is totally different from a wild guess that is a mock draft. The two things are as different as night and day. 

You don't have to, but I suggestt that you view the links of the individual players that he has linked to Howard's article, from the perspective of a draft profile and not a mock. There is some good stuff in there.

[RoaringRiot]

Wouldn't be upset 

[raleigh-panther]

Said it before, this team needs offensive play makers .now .

Someone who is a first day starter...no more Funchess' please.

Not one, more than one. They have two people other teams  scheme for, Newton and Olsen, no one else scares them.

 Olsen is not getting any younger and Newton, not the threat of two years ago, that ship has sailed. 

...can stack the defense all you want but if a pro offense can't score or exercise decent ball control that results in first downs and not Interceptionsor punts, in today's NFL, we will go nowhere.

knowing Gettleman, it will be a DE in the first, some scrub DT in the second, and a slow running back in the 3rd and we will sing this same song next year.

i pray this isn't the case.

[Ace_Aladdin]

OJ Howard would make Kalil's deal much better and could help him transition this year and set  us up at LT for 5-7 yrs.

[stirs]

Would like to trade down to 12 with Cleveland, pick back up the early third, and then take Howard.

With the early third, take Perine RB

Good to go

[gmonjimbo]

8 minutes ago, stirs said:

Would like to trade down to 12 with Cleveland, pick back up the early third, and then take Howard.

With the early third, take Perine RB

Good to go

Then the Panthers have to trust that Cleveland won't select Howard at 8 and instead take a QB because Hue Jackson and his staff coached him at the Senior Bowl and liked what they saw.