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Why I Have Fallen Out of Love with Fournette at 8...

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23 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I respect you as a poster, but if I have to hear about McCaffrey being a better value back over Leonard Fournette again, I'm gonna go nuts (Jeremy wrote a shitty article today saying the same stupid s h i t).  Leonard Fournette is the best RB prospect in years.  If he falls to 8, we need to take him, if not him Adams.  That's the only two at that point.   

  Am I the only one who pictured this while reading this post. I mean.....It's in the Geneva Convention...lol 

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1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

 

I've read articles saying Howard could be an unparalleled talent and i know the measurables and resume are there, so if we took him, I wouldn't be upset.  I'd have some questions though...  I think Olsen has plenty left in the tank, and elite level TEs can usually play at a high level through their late 30s.  So, although i think we could really cause some problems for opponents with 2 TE sets with Olsen and Howard, I question our staff's ability to effectively use both guys in such a manner.

As to your scenario of taking Howard at 8 and McCaffrey in the late first after trading back up, that would be AMAZING.

I remember Shockey and Olsen being a lot of fun to watch back in Cam's early years, probably one of his better years as a passer too. so I'm not completely opposed to Howard at 8, but I think there will be better options at 8 then Howard. remember our DE's are either old stop gaps or borderline starters/depth, could really use a long term solution at DE. and honestly that may be the biggest need on the team atm.

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I don't question Fournette's ability but our run scheme does not support him at all. He really needs traditional formations with leading blockers and the whole deal which Carolina does not do. Cam's entering year 7 - they're not going to ask him to radically change his game for a rookie's sake. Fournette may be talented enough to overcome the bad fit but it's enough of a concern that he doesn't feel like a surefire thing to me. The #8 pick needs to be a no-brainer. 

If Shula's vision for the offense is true guys like Howard and McCaffrey are way more valuable to us than mocks imply. 

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I think people get too caught up in the thought of "value" in the draft. If you end up with a great player, then you got great value. Maybe it wasn't perceived as great value on draft day, but draft day can't really be judged until several years down the road.

I'd take Fournette with zero hesitation at #8.

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I think we take Fournette (if available), and look to trade back up into the teens ''IF'' Howard is still available. For a team that emphasizes the run like we do having the heir to Stewart, and comparable talent to split those carries with little to no fall off will be huge for us this year. 

You can't feature a power run game with out a dynamic lead back, we don't run the modern NFL offense. Therefore we are not looking for a modern style ball carrier. Stewart is 30 and in his final year. IMO the writing for the pick has been on the wall. 

Hell even Gettleman said in his presser (paraphrasing) ''big backs break tackles better than 180 lb guys''....

We may be interested in McCaffery but in ''our offense'' Whittaker, or another scat is gonna be able to catch the passes and save us the pick IMO, I'd rather a game-breaking speed option as a compliment to Stewart, and potentially Fournette if he's the pick at #8. 

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4 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

I remember Shockey and Olsen being a lot of fun to watch back in Cam's early years, probably one of his better years as a passer too. so I'm not completely opposed to Howard at 8, but I think there will be better options at 8 then Howard. remember our DE's are either old stop gaps or borderline starters/depth, could really use a long term solution at DE. and honestly that may be the biggest need on the team atm.

I feel the same way, but imo, Chud was a lot better at scheming for an efficient/potent passing game than Shula has ever been.  

Ialso agree on your point about DE, but I also feel that same way about safety.  Even if Adams doesn't fall off the age cliff this season, he will soon, and it nees to be addressed with a long-term solution.

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1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

I feel the same way, but imo, Chud was a lot better at scheming for an efficient/potent passing game than Shula has ever been.  

Ialso agree on your point about DE, but I also feel that same way about safety.  Even if Adams doesn't fall off the age cliff this season, he will soon, and it nees to be addressed with a long-term solution.

Adams is nothing more then a stop gap and should be treated as such.

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1 minute ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

When Adams falls of the age cliff we'll just bring in another veteran safety with a couple more years left that knows what he's doing between the ears

Quintin Mikell, Roman Harper, Mike Adams ...... am I missing someone ? This staff values brain and run stop ability more than young giddy athleticism at SS clearly 

Mitchell and Chris Harris from back in the day, as I've said before, SS is one of those positions where mid-tier players are just fine. they just have to know to be in the right place at the right time.

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