NFL network talking what if's about McCaffrey, Panthers at 8.

[Ivan The Awesome]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000797670/Mock-Draft-Live-Fantasy-take-on-top-prospects

 

 

There's the idea that McCaffrey could go as high as #8, to the Panthers.  I for one would love that. I wouldn't be mad at all. That potentially takes care of several holes in this team. #2 RB, Slot Receiver/Deep Threat, Returner special teams ace. I see the value of the pick at #8. A lot of huddlers will disagree, which is fine. 

 

The consensus by the experts is what intrigued me the most. Charlie Casserly didn't like the pick for "Durability reasons and that he's not a 3 down back" according to him. For those that don't know who Charlie Casserly is he was the GM for the skins when they won a sb. I somewhat knows what he is saying. Although personally I believe he is a bit dated in his way of thinking. As far as durability concerns McCaffrey hasn't be injured and was a 3 down back in Stanford. 

 

Another analyst, Bucky brooks, also had concerns over the pick as "Christian is not a power back and that's what the Panthers identity is, power run game." I agree to an extent with him since he's been a Panthers scout before, so he knows the teams identity. 

Other two analysts that I can't remember said he'd be a waste of a pick because The offense isn't great, "They don't have much creativity in that offense.". I can't really argue with him. We all know that Shula is vanilla as fug... 

 

All analysts were in agreement except for one that, Daniel Jeremiah, said that this is what the panthers would need to help keep pressure off Cam. Making points about having him in the slot, creating an outlet for Cam, getting the ball out faster. He'd be a perfect third down back and that you'd be able to have him in other downs and a receiver and being able to put him in the special teams alone was another major plus.

 

 

There are a lot of pros and cons for taking him this high, the major con for me is that we have Shula. Would Christian McCaffrey be wasted here in Carolina with a coordinator like Mike Shula? Or would this be what he needs to evolve the offense?

 

Pros:

Patient runner

Change of pace back

Excellent hands

Great anticipation and vision

Speed

Can work out of the Slot as a receiver

Knows the route tree better than more WR in the draft

Can return punts and kicks

Agility and quickness

Home run hitter

Playmaker

High football I.Q. 

Special teams ace.

 

 

Cons

 

Undersized per NFL standards to be a feature back

Will not plow through people

Blocking is below average

(controversial con but...) He's white, not a lot of white RB's make it in the league. (personally think he'd be the exception to the rule.)

Mike Shula would  be his coordinator.

Limited offense by the Panthers.

 

 

In conclusion, I would be ecstatic if the Panthers picked him up, even if at #8. This would be the pick that would definitely make or break the offense. It would show without a doubt if Shula truly is an incompetent coordinator or if he didn't really have the pieces to make this offense a top 10. 

[Shocker]

I wouldnt mind him at 8, I pretty much agree with you.. I dont see anything he isnt outstanding at except maybe size.  He is the total weapon especially in todays NFL.  Pretty simple.

[The Lobo]

I trust Dave. If he's their guy, I'm all in

[TheAmericanDream]

Con

 

He's white. LOL!

Good God really!

[LinvilleGorge]

If you're looking at him as a pure RB, I'd hate the pick at #8. But, if you're looking at him as an all-purpose threat, I can start to understand the pick. To me, you use him like the Vikings used Percy Harvin. You move him around everywhere and force the D to keep tabs on him. Line him up in the backfield, split him out wide, put him in the slot. Basically just try to get him the ball in space and let him do what he does.

Minnesota used that approach to get Harvin 87 catches for 967 yards and 6 TDs and another 52 carries for 345 and 2 more TDs for a total of 1312 yards and 8 TDs from scrimmage. He added another 520 yards and a TD on returns. He was an all-purpose yardage machine. He had over 1800 all-purpose yards in each of his first three seasons. IMO, that's how you use McCaffrey and if you could get that type of production from him, that's absolutely worth a top 10 pick.

With that said, there are several players I would prefer over him at #8. I think McCaffrey is a potential trade up target for us if he slips into the mid-late 1st round.

[Ivan The Awesome]

7 minutes ago, TheAmericanDream said:

Con

 

He's white. LOL!

Good God really!

Yeah, read around the league and what scouts say. I have no problem with him being white at all. But the track record is there and many NFL scouts and execs say that's a con. Don't shoot the messenger or get offended bud. lol

[OldNorthPowell]

If Howard, Fournett, and Thomas are gone.........meh. Would rather have Barnett if that is the case.

[Ivan The Awesome]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you're looking at him as a pure RB, I'd hate the pick at #8. But, if you're looking at him as an all-purpose threat, I can start to understand the pick. To me, you use him like the Vikings used Percy Harvin. You move him around everywhere and force the D to keep tabs on him. Line him up in the backfield, split him out wide, put him in the slot. Basically just try to get him the ball in space and let him do what he does.

Minnesota used that approach to get Harvin 87 catches for 967 yards and 6 TDs and another 52 carries for 345 and 2 more TDs for a total of 1312 yards and 8 TDs from scrimmage. He added another 520 yards and a TD on returns. He was an all-purpose yardage machine. He had over 1800 all-purpose yards in each of his first three seasons. IMO, that's how you use McCaffrey and if you could get that type of production from him, that's absolutely worth a top 10 pick.

With that said, there are several players I would prefer over him at #8. I think McCaffrey is a potential trade up target for us if he slips into the mid-late 1st round.

 

 

Agreed 100% my friend. That's what I look at McCaffrey to do in this offense if he's picked. All purpose back and not just your scat back, like Rivera has always wanted, but more of a get the chains moving and almost a flat out guarantee to get 5+ yards in a play designed for him. 

[Hoenheim]

If we're going purely off college success Id like the pick . It's difficult for me to think how successful he will be at the NFL . Typical height for a running back , he's pretty lightweight currently but that can easily change with an NFL weight and exercise program. 

It all comes down to that quote Steve Smith had at the combine when the announcers we're all jizzing over mccaffeys cone and catching drills , McCaffrey HAS to go to a system where the coach knows how to use him . Returning punts, outside runs, catching the ball anywhere , and occially inside runs. Used correctly the other team will find it difficult to know it were running or passing 

[Hoenheim]

If we're going purely off college success Id like the pick . It's difficult for me to think how successful he will be at the NFL . Typical height for a running back , he's pretty lightweight currently but that can easily change with an NFL weight and exercise program. 

It all comes down to that quote Steve Smith had at the combine when the announcers we're all jizzing over mccaffeys cone and catching drills , McCaffrey HAS to go to a system where the coach knows how to use him . Returning punts, outside runs, catching the ball anywhere , and ocasionally inside runs. Used correctly the other team will find it difficult to know it were running or passing .

He's elusive as hell , the only thing he is really missing is power .

[Shocker]

With Stewart around he works perfect.  We can always get Stewarts replacement next year but you need 2 backs these days.  McCaffrey will be very productive, I'm convinced.

[Khyber53]

There's a god chance that by pick #8 the case can be made that he will be the best player available

I think he could be a great pick based on what we've seen above.

Imagine if you had a guy who could be your 3rd down RB, but be your slot receiver on first and second downs -- one that will hit like a running back? I think he can be an every down player, but he might be as much receiver and RB. The guy can handle learning both roles with no problem.

And then, as a kick and punt returner, he'd solve a whole host of problems.

Somebody's going to laugh, but the guy could fill roles like Smitty did in his early years. If he's got half the fight, at his size he'd be a handful for some DB to take down, much less survive.

[Moorgan]

I remember like maybe last year...no...it was the year before...yeah definitely the year before...now I don't remember what our record was but there were several articles that talked about the complexity of our running attack. If only there was a device that could allow me to reference those articles now. Damn you technology for not delivering on the hover board yet.

[TheSpecialJuan]

19 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000797670/Mock-Draft-Live-Fantasy-take-on-top-prospects

 

 

There's the idea that McCaffrey could go as high as #8, to the Panthers.  I for one would love that. I wouldn't be mad at all. That potentially takes care of several holes in this team. #2 RB, Slot Receiver/Deep Threat, Returner special teams ace. I see the value of the pick at #8. A lot of huddlers will disagree, which is fine. 

 

The consensus by the experts is what intrigued me the most. Charlie Casserly didn't like the pick for "Durability reasons and that he's not a 3 down back" according to him. For those that don't know who Charlie Casserly is he was the GM for the skins when they won a sb. I somewhat knows what he is saying. Although personally I believe he is a bit dated in his way of thinking. As far as durability concerns McCaffrey hasn't be injured and was a 3 down back in Stanford. 

 

Another analyst, Bucky brooks, also had concerns over the pick as "Christian is not a power back and that's what the Panthers identity is, power run game." I agree to an extent with him since he's been a Panthers scout before, so he knows the teams identity. 

Other two analysts that I can't remember said he'd be a waste of a pick because The offense isn't great, "They don't have much creativity in that offense.". I can't really argue with him. We all know that Shula is vanilla as fug... 

 

All analysts were in agreement except for one that, Daniel Jeremiah, said that this is what the panthers would need to help keep pressure off Cam. Making points about having him in the slot, creating an outlet for Cam, getting the ball out faster. He'd be a perfect third down back and that you'd be able to have him in other downs and a receiver and being able to put him in the special teams alone was another major plus.

 

 

There are a lot of pros and cons for taking him this high, the major con for me is that we have Shula. Would Christian McCaffrey be wasted here in Carolina with a coordinator like Mike Shula? Or would this be what he needs to evolve the offense?

 

Pros:

Patient runner

Change of pace back

Excellent hands

Great anticipation and vision

Speed

Can work out of the Slot as a receiver

Knows the route tree better than more WR in the draft

Can return punts and kicks

Agility and quickness

Home run hitter

Playmaker

High football I.Q. 

Special teams ace.

 

 

Cons

 

Undersized per NFL standards to be a feature back

Will not plow through people

Blocking is below average

(controversial con but...) He's white, not a lot of white RB's make it in the league. (personally think he'd be the exception to the rule.)

Mike Shula would  be his coordinator.

Limited offense by the Panthers.

 

 

In conclusion, I would be ecstatic if the Panthers picked him up, even if at #8. This would be the pick that would definitely make or break the offense. It would show without a doubt if Shula truly is an incompetent coordinator or if he didn't really have the pieces to make this offense a top 10. 

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