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The McD/Bills/Beane Conspiracy Has Gone National

Proudiddy

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But we all knew we liked Vallejo. All the bills had to do was trust our scouting dept. Maybe mcd preferred to lean on ours more than his. That doesn't take a mole to accomplish 

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My lord, this is stupid!!!

Ok, so the only evidence is circumstantial.  Let me make sure I got this right, they jumped ahead of us for Zay Jones, then they jumped ahead of us for Dion Dawkins, then took a LB we liked.  That's it!  

Oh boy!  Ok, lets debunk.

1) Well, first of all, everyone and their brother knew we liked Jones.  I heard and read several reports prior to the draft that we were going to take him at 40 if he was available.  So, if Buffalo liked him, of course they knew they had to jump ahead of us to get him.  Oh, and his college position coach at ECU is now their WR coach.  So no need for inside info to make this move. 

2) And I had heard PRIOR to the draft that the Panthers really liked Moton, and that there was a good chance he could be a target of ours.  Then reports came after the draft that we actually liked Moton more than Dawkins.  Most likely, McDermott was guessing that we were going to take Dawkins and wanted to get in front of to make sure they got him.  But from everything I heard before and after the draft, he guessed wrong.

3) And the LB thing is just dumb.  He was projected as a 6th rounder, and they waited until after we picked to take him in that round.  So the likelihood he would be there in the 7th for us was remote.  

Bottom line, there was no sharing of info, and the circumstantial evidence doesn't hold even a dropletful of water.

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1 hour ago, Woodie said:

My lord, this is stupid!!!

Ok, so the only evidence is circumstantial.  Let me make sure I got this right, they jumped ahead of us for Zay Jones, then they jumped ahead of us for Dion Dawkins, then took a LB we liked.  That's it!  

Oh boy!  Ok, lets debunk.

1) Well, first of all, everyone and their brother knew we liked Jones.  I heard and read several reports prior to the draft that we were going to take him at 40 if he was available.  So, if Buffalo liked him, of course they knew they had to jump ahead of us to get him.  Oh, and his college position coach at ECU is now their WR coach.  So no need for inside info to make this move. 

2) And I had heard PRIOR to the draft that the Panthers really liked Moton, and that there was a good chance he could be a target of ours.  Then reports came after the draft that we actually liked Moton more than Dawkins.  Most likely, McDermott was guessing that we were going to take Dawkins and wanted to get in front of to make sure they got him.  But from everything I heard before and after the draft, he guessed wrong.

3) And the LB thing is just dumb.  He was projected as a 6th rounder, and they waited until after we picked to take him in that round.  So the likelihood he would be there in the 7th for us was remote.  

Bottom line, there was no sharing of info, and the circumstantial evidence doesn't hold even a dropletful of water.

the only thing that doesn't make sense is that none of the players that the bills drafted ahead of carolina, worked out for buffalo.

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8 minutes ago, bobsfoodbasics said:

the only thing that doesn't make sense is that none of the players that the bills drafted ahead of carolina, worked out for buffalo.

That we know of.  But even so, nothing they did is really unusual.  All three of those players they took were rated right around where Buffalo took them, and in the case of Jones (which is the one that I think started all this), they really didn't need to since his position coach in college was on the Bills staff.  They already had all the info they needed.  Nevertheless, based on all of the information we had prior to the draft, it's quite a stretch to see any sort of collusion. 

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4 hours ago, arbnranger said:

Word is on the street, you say that to his face and he will reach down and pull your liver out and show it to you. 

He's done it before man... and I mean recently. 

I'm not scared... 

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7 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I'll have to go back and review the report about the Bears in detail, but I believe it was Schefter I had heard it from, and he made it sound really sketchy, as though they never had any intentions of trading back.

But, if it's McD that wanted the info with the guarantee that he would have him brought on as the GM, then why would Beane care about what other teams think about it?  As Belichick has proven time and again, certain FOs, coaches, and organizations will do ANYTHING to gain an advantage.  I have no idea how close McD and Beane are, but I think it's very plausible if they both view this as their "one shot."

McD and Beane are both very young for their respective position and and I highly doubt they view this as their "one shot". McD has been talked about as a head coach for a long time and Beane is an upcoming executive. Them conspiring to do what you are suggesting wouldn't just be morally wrong, it would be career suicide and could actually get them blacklisted or banned from the NFL if there was concrete evidence of such wrongdoing.

I think a long tenured coach of the Panthers that knows the kind of people we target, along with specific knowledge of guys the Panthers could have been scouting for years, made moves to jump ahead of us fearing we might take certain players. 

While it is certainly possible, I think it is highly unlikely this went down as some people think. 

Just my two cents. 

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While on the surface it may appear the Bills knew something however if you think about it, leaking information doesn't pass the common sense test

- We all knew Panthers needs so of course McDermott would know the Panthers needs.  

-  Why would Beane risk his career sharing information for a job he doesn't know for certain if he will get especially when he is the logical successor to DG.

- The Bills new WR coach was Zay Jones coach at ECU so they had reason to really want him as who would know better than a former coach than if a guy is worth drafting.

- the Bills fired all their scouts on th the college side and pro side. Many were in the war room on draft day. If McDermott had info why hasn't any of them come forward and say that? They just got fired by Buffalo. If the Bills did something illegal they have no reason to not come forward. 

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