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Cam Newton vs Andrew Luck , A First Take Topic

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3 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

 

Can you explain your answers a bit more? Thanks

How much further of an explanation do you require?  

 

Cam was MVP and went to a Super Bowl. (There shouldn't be a need for further explanation.) 

All this with his #1 receiver out, oline messed up,  Ted Ginn, Philly Brown and Devin Funchess as his wide receiver Corp. A banged up Stewart and an aging Tolbert. 

Luck can't win his division and doesn't even have the same playoffs resume as Cam.  

Luck has weapons. Luck has an easier division. He's had his chance. Now that division will be much harder but not as hard as the NFC South that has arguably the best quartet of QBs. 

 

The media and all the mindless dolts that follow the narrative of Cam being a crap player will agree that luck is a better QB.  But if you crunch the numbers and tally the wins and losses with supporting cast. Cam is above luck no matter how you slice it. 

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Definitely a raitings ploy. I'm sure Luck will be a good QB one day, but he's not quite there yet.

Cam has always had the better team, but Indy has done a better job putting weapons around Luck, except for an oline. Also, we have the better coaching.

Cam has always been a media villain. No matter what, because Cam is a fun loving, free spirited, distinctly fashionable​ black QB, and he refused to fit in to the NFL's mold, he's the bad guy. Whatever.

He's my QB, and my son's (and mine!) favorite player. He's got the hardware to back it up. I think we're good.

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Once a comedian said of Angelina Jolie: "She looks like a bunch of aliens hung out in orbit and watched TV and read magazines to find out what would be the most beautiful human woman, then they made Angelina Jolie and sent her down here. The thing is, even though she checks all the boxes, there's just something not right about how it all goes together -- it's just a bit too perfect and after a while it can give you the creeps if you pay too much attention."

That's about how the Andrew Luck thing is. He has all of the ingredients, the measurables, the pedigree, the abilities, but they just don't somehow add up into a great quarterback. All the ingredients are there but there's something amiss.

Cam, on the other hand, was in many ways what the experts would call the opposite of what would make a great NFL QB. And yet, somehow, all those pieces fit together and the guy wins, consistently and oftentimes impressively.

Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers are probably the two most recent perfect prototype QBs to make it big, but we have seen a parade of almosts, a veritable herd of Angelina Jolie QBs. Carson Palmer, Brady Quinn, Blake Bortles, the list goes on.

In stark contrast are the ones who shouldn't have been able to make it because they didn't match the prototype: Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Brett Favre, Eli Manning (whose biggest knock is that he isn't Payton, but he did win two rings...), and finally Tom Brady, one of the least likely pro QBs coming out of college who may well go down as the best QB to play the game.

Luck's got the measurables, but he's just missing the "it" factor. Cam's "it" factor is maxed out and the difference that makes is just astounding.

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I love it when this topic comes up...because it just reminds me how so many on this forum way back when had already crowned Luck the next coming of jesus before he was even drafted, and were pissed as hell he decided not to come out when we had the #1pick ( and took it as an insult that he didn't come out of college because of claims he didn't want to be drafted by us)

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Once a comedian said of Angelina Jolie: "She looks like a bunch of aliens hung out in orbit and watched TV and read magazines to find out what would be the most beautiful human woman, then they made Angelina Jolie and sent her down here. The thing is, even though she checks all the boxes, there's just something not right about how it all goes together -- it's just a bit too perfect and after a while it can give you the creeps if you pay too much attention."

That's about how the Andrew Luck thing is. He has all of the ingredients, the measurables, the pedigree, the abilities, but they just don't somehow add up into a great quarterback. All the ingredients are there but there's something amiss.

Cam, on the other hand, was in many ways what the experts would call the opposite of what would make a great NFL QB. And yet, somehow, all those pieces fit together and the guy wins, consistently and oftentimes impressively.

Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers are probably the two most recent perfect prototype QBs to make it big, but we have seen a parade of almosts, a veritable herd of Angelina Jolie QBs. Carson Palmer, Brady Quinn, Blake Bortles, the list goes on.

In stark contrast are the ones who shouldn't have been able to make it because they didn't match the prototype: Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Brett Favre, Eli Manning (whose biggest knock is that he isn't Payton, but he did win two rings...), and finally Tom Brady, one of the least likely pro QBs coming out of college who may well go down as the best QB to play the game.

Luck's got the measurables, but he's just missing the "it" factor. Cam's "it" factor is maxed out and the difference that makes is just astounding.

It's the East Tennessee hillbillie beard, right?

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This is a fun story. Andrew Luck can still do no wrong. When he throws INTs and loses all I hear area excuses. Imagine if Cam thew the INTs that Lucks throws? Could you ever imagine people saying that "He throws those INTS because he wants to win."???? What does that even mean? 

Andrew Luck and the Colts have lost the most horrible division in football to the Texans at 9-7. The same Texans who had NO QB at all!!! The same Texans that had injury problems with their best player. 

Cam Newton improved every yr until last year when it seemed like everything broke down. He goes from people saying he's the best player in football to this. "Well Cam had 1 good year but defenses adjusted to him and he doesn't have the ability to overcome this."

To this day I bet you over 50% of Panther fans in Charlotte would prefer Luck over Cam and that is just sad and pathetic. 

 

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Being as unbiased as I possibly can, I will say that having a great defense is a huge help to a QB...a defense like the one we had in our Super Bowl season, created turnovers that led to unbelievable field position for our offense. Meanwhile the Colts defense constantly gets burned and requires Luck to do more than he should. The Colts are no where near as balanced as we are.

With all that said, if u threw Luck on our team, he still wouldn't have thrived like Cam has. Cam has dodged so many sacks through the years and kept the play alive. No way Luck could have done that. He might not have overthrown a WR or RB like Cam has, but still. 

This probably won't be a popular comment on here but I'm gunna say it anyway. Too much blame of the Colts lack of success has fallen on Luck when it's definitely a direct result of a piss poor GM. Giving Luck more weapons on offense doesn't help when your defense is trash and your oline is garbage. But at at the end of the day, i dont have to worry about the Colts problems and nor do I care!

Now give me Cam and lets go win a Super Bowl!

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9 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

A) the huddle didn't bring it up, first take did

B) their stats end at TDs. Cam has a lot more of those

C) stats don't tell everything anyway. The colts have been tossing weapons at luck since he was drafted to ensure their pick looks like the right one. Before this year we've invested exactly one significant pick (two if you count the Olsen trade) on a decent weapon for Cam, and he's missed 1/3 of his career to injury so far. Both teams have had bad o-lines, but cam has to do more with less and carry his offense a lot more than luck does. 

D) I'd probably take luck over anybody in the league but cam, Brady, brees, Rodgers, rivers, and probably roethlesburger. 

Yes, First Take brought it up "first", lol. We didn't have to make a thread on it though. It's time to get over Luck. It's time to get over having a sore butt anytime ANYTHING negative is said about Cam.

Yes, Cam's running gives him more total TDs. Stats other than that are the same. There's more to a QB than total TDs.

Luck has been injured too. I disagree that Cam does more with less when his defense is lightyears better than Lucks. Cam doesn't win all of our games by himself.

I'd take Cam over Luck. I'm not trying to start anything here. But the Luck bashing it silly. It's like when the board used to say Brady is only "good" because of the system he's in.

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