8 years of no playoffs

[NanuqoftheNorth]

8 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

I believe we have the still have the roster to contend for the next couple of years even with a not so great GM

I tend to agree with this point of view.

I doubt even Wowsie Wowsie Woo Woo Marty "Schleprock" Hurney can do much to screw up this season's squad.  I'd go so far as to say the Panthers are well positioned to make another Super Bowl appearance this year.

What I fear Hurney is likely to do... and do it in a matter of months... if not weeks... it to hamstring this franchise for the next five years with ill advised, poorly thought out, cap busting contracts... just like when he was here before (likely at the behest of JR).

Gettleman has just spent the last four years undoing all the damage Hurney and JR did with their free spending ways only to see the architect of that disaster brought in as his replacement.

If this were a movie it would be panned by critics and viewers alike as simply unbelievable.

You literally can't make this poo up.

[Hoenheim]

1 minute ago, The Lobo said:

IMO, I think this roster is better than 2015. We will be fine this year. Next year though, I have no idea.

Even if the roster's better doesn't necessarily mean we will have equal or greater success unfortunately. There's still alot of question marks (How the rookies perform, what playcalling will be like, how Cam is off the surgery, how good the new OTs are), but on paper our roster looks loaded and hasn't shown this much promise in a long time. 

If we make the Super Bowl again Kalil will have to be good, and the rookies will have to be good too. That's not actually asking a hell of alot or asking them all to be world beaters either. But they are huge factors and if all 3 dont pan out I think theres no chance. We're hinging heavily on new parts for success this year. 

[uncfan888]

4 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

When that season was out of the ordinary, yeah you take it out of the equation.

It's like when you run a formula 10 times and you only get a good result one time. Outside of that one year we have been mediocre and anyone that says otherwise is arguing with facts.

No. It's not like that at all. Good lord. 12-4 wasn't a good result? Let's pick and choose what we base our arguments on.. Smh

[uncfan888]

Hey guys we won 12+ games half of the time Gettleman was here, but let's throw those out and focus on the other half because they don't fit my dumbass argument

[NanuqoftheNorth]

2 minutes ago, SOJA said:

This season should be fine. It's our future that has me very concerned. 

Say what you want about there being "no chance" that Hurney is hired full term. But just wait and watch. JR will love having his guy back in the office. 

I'm calling it now and until the day we ink a new GM, Hurney has a very real chance at being our permanent GM. 

If it can somehow be accomplished, JR would likely do it.  If not, I wouldn't be surprised for Hurney to be retained in some other capacity/title.  

JR is loyal to a fault.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

18 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Sounds like some folks need a diaper change

More like a full sheet change because we have clearly shitt the bed. 

[MillionDollarCam]

20 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

You can't take away events that actually happened, I hate when people say stuff like that. People use that arguement against Cam all the time , "take away his MVP season and he's just an average inconsitent mediocre QB."

You have to take everything into account, all seasons, and all factors. The fact is , he got us into a position to get to the 2015 season, you could argue Star and Short were huge factors in us having a good enough pass rush to generate all those turnovers and be one of the best defenses in the NFL that season , which hugely contributed to alot of our wins, as good as Cam was. He did alot of other stuff to im sure to get to that point, it wasn't just just him riding the coat tails of players Hurney drafted.

Gettleman wasn't at fault for all the injuries that occured in 2016, which is a gigantic reason why we lost so many games many of which were very close games. You could argue the worst thing Gettleman did for 2016 is not provide Cam with good enough OTs after getting exposed in the Super Bowl, and shitting the bed with Josh Norman and fielding a couple rookies instead.  You can't blame him for Cam getting injured on that TD run, Luke getting another concussion, or many of the oline injuries simply bad luck, and you can't blame Gettleman for Gano missing the game winner in Denver. If Gano hits that kick we probably go somewhere between 8-8 and 11-5 in my opinion. Would have totally changed the mood of the season and may have had a butterfly affect and possible the players play much differently and some of those injuries dont occur. 

1) That statement about Cam is true... like I said in a previous quote, when one is not like the other you exclude it because it's out of the ordinary. That's literally what scientist's do when testing an equation. While the average claim is false because statistically he's been right at a top 10 level, Cam has been wildly inconsistent. Anyone that argues other than that has blinders on.

2) We made the playoffs in DG's first year on a team that had been previously built by Hurney. If anyone deserves credit for that playoff appearance it's the staff. 

3) These what if scenarios are ridiculous. So I can't exclude one year that is unlike the other years but we can make excuses as to why we missed the playoffs last and year and snuck in out of pure luck on a previous year? An injury depleted Patriots team seems to make the playoffs year after year and not have any problems when Brady is literally tossing to guys off the street.

Outside of managing the cap DG has done nothing out of the ordinary to prove he is a competent GM. 

I love how the fan base gives DG credit for the good seasons and places the blame on Ron and the coaching staff for the bad seasons. It absolutely makes no sense whatsoever.

[SOJA]

Just now, NanuqoftheNorth said:

If it can somehow be accomplished, JR would likely do it.  If not, I wouldn't be surprised for Hurney to be retained in some other capacity/title.  

JR is loyal to a fault.

Exactly, that terrifies the fug out of me. 

The Panthers were finally a progressive, forward looking franchise. And on a random as fug day in July JR started tearing that vision down. 

[MillionDollarCam]

2 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

No. It's not like that at all. Good lord. 12-4 wasn't a good result? Let's pick and choose what we base our arguments on.. Smh

It was good result, but that team was inherited. Most if not all the impact players on that team were not Gettleman's at that point. Newton, Stewart, Williams, Smith, Olsen, Gross, Kalil, Hardy, CJ, Kuechly, Davis, Norman, Munnerlyn... I mean come on.

If anyone deserves credit for that year it's the coaching staff. DG hadn't even been around long enough to really impact the roster at that point.

[Hoenheim]

Whatever, we won't know anything until some years have passed, when we have some sort of substantial body of work without Gettleman to compare to years with him. Most of us are knee jerking to the Gettleman firing.  

 

[MillionDollarCam]

DG maybe had what, three years left before he was going to call it quits anyway?

One way to look at it is that we are able to get a head start on the search and prepare for the future. The team is setup to be pretty solid for the next few years. It would take someone completely incompetent or just hell bent on causing a mess to screw that up the roster that is in place.

The team is not in cap trouble (something DG was phenomenal at) and overall the roster doesn't have too many holes. If ultimately Olsen and TD only have three good years left each and we have to pick those players or DG, I'm going to go with the players.

In my opinion this team is built to be successful for at least three years, if a new GM can come in and continue to manage the cap while also turning the culture of the team around then we won't miss a beat.

The firing is being blown way out of proportion because at DG's age he wasn't going to be around much longer anyway.

[The Lobo]

27 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Even if the roster's better doesn't necessarily mean we will have equal or greater success unfortunately. There's still alot of question marks (How the rookies perform, what playcalling will be like, how Cam is off the surgery, how good the new OTs are), but on paper our roster looks loaded and hasn't shown this much promise in a long time. 

If we make the Super Bowl again Kalil will have to be good, and the rookies will have to be good too. That's not actually asking a hell of alot or asking them all to be world beaters either. But they are huge factors and if all 3 dont pan out I think theres no chance. We're hinging heavily on new parts for success this year. 

I just meant paper, but very good points.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Just now, SOJA said:

Exactly, that terrifies the fug out of me. 

The Panthers were finally a progressive, forward looking franchise. And on a random as fug day in July JR started tearing that vision down. 

JR has been this way since the inception of the franchise.  

The executives he brought in to build and run the team were pretty much gone within the first two years and he handed the keys to the kingdom to a coach with a guaranteed ten year contract.

Within only a few years, not only had we fired our first coach, we were already looking for head coach number 3. Responsibility for the future of the team had now been put in the hands of his sons and some former sports reporter named Marty Hurney.

Other than one outstanding season this brain trust didn't accomplish all that much beyond a solid record of mediocrity.   Yet it took JR a decade to figure out he had the wrong people in charge if he ever wanted to live long enough to see his team win a Lombardi Trophy.

Eventually when BOA Stadium was half empty and his revenue from concessions took a big hit, JR finally did what he should have done all along, hire an experienced professional to run the team and get out of the way.  

JR's clarity of vision lasted only 4 years as it turned out.  In that time Gettleman accomplished as much playoff success as his predecessor did, but Dave did it in less than half the time.

Gettleman's downfall was doing what he was hired to do... running the team like a professional sports organization... rather than someone's  Mom and Pop greasy spoon.

[FuFuLamePoo]

1 hour ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

This season is gonna be ugly.  I'll be the first to eat crow if we win the division or slip into the playoffs as a wild card.

I actually think this season could still go well.  Thanks to Gettleman, we have a vastly improved offense with more playmakers and more depth on the OL.  A favorable schedule and 11-5 or even 12-4 is not out of the question.  What's going to suck is when we have a good season, Hurney gets the job full time, then we quickly start going down the road to obscurity again a la Saints