Looking at the fact's Gettleman wasn't poo.

[yasuhara2241]

Yes, DG had some draft misses, but all GMs do. He excelled in finding undrafted guys and late round guys. Hurney had lots of bright spots as well. His last 4 drafts were horrible and that affects our opinion of him coupled with the fact that he gave lots of money to our own players and often time overpaid. 

Last 4 Hurney drafts: 

2009: Best Pick was 7th round Capt Munnerlyn. Rest of picks flamed and we even gave up our 1st the following yr for Everette Brown. 

2010: Greg Hardy in the 4th was the best pick and Lafell was serviceable. The other EIGHT picks flamed

2011: Cam at #1. The other 7 picks flamed! Not to mention we had already traded our 1st pick in Round 2 the year before for Armanti Edwards!

2012: Luke and Josh were fantastic picks. Amini was serviceable as a back up as well. Nortman was a good punter for as. This was his best draft of the past 4 years. 

Summary: 4 years: 7 starters, 1 backup. 8 total players in rotation from the draft

4 Gettleman Drafts: 

2013: Star, Short, Klein: Klein was a huge contributor for 3 years with us

2014: KB, Kony, Trai, Tre, Bene: All 5 contributed for us. Bene was great until the injury and Boston was a serviceable backup. 

2015: Shaq, Funchess, Williams, Mayo: Mayo took Kleins place allowing us not to resign him for a higher price tag. Williams played well as a backup. Funchess is a work in progress but is still paying. 

2016: Butler, Bradberry, Worley: 2 starting CBs and we still don't know what we have in Butler

Summary: 7 starters (Star, Short, KB, Trai, Shaq, Bradberry, Worley), 7 Back-ups that has seen a lot of time and started occassionally (Klein, Kony, Tre, Bene, Williams, Mayo, Butler). 14 total players not including undrafted players. 

@panther4lifethoughts?

[AceBoogie]

9 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

Yes, DG had some draft misses, but all GMs do. He excelled in finding undrafted guys and late round guys. Hurney had lots of bright spots as well. His last 4 drafts were horrible and that affects our opinion of him coupled with the fact that he gave lots of money to our own players and often time overpaid. 

Last 4 Hurney drafts: 

2009: Best Pick was 7th round Capt Munnerlyn. Rest of picks flamed and we even gave up our 1st the following yr for Everette Brown. 

2010: Greg Hardy in the 4th was the best pick and Lafell was serviceable. The other EIGHT picks flamed

2011: Cam at #1. The other 7 picks flamed! Not to mention we had already traded our 1st pick in Round 2 the year before for Armanti Edwards!

2012: Luke and Josh were fantastic picks. Amini was serviceable as a back up as well. Nortman was a good punter for as. This was his best draft of the past 4 years. 

Summary: 4 years: 7 starters, 1 backup. 8 total players in rotation from the draft

4 Gettleman Drafts: 

2013: Star, Short, Klein: Klein was a huge contributor for 3 years with us

2014: KB, Kony, Trai, Tre, Bene: All 5 contributed for us. Bene was great until the injury and Boston was a serviceable backup. 

2015: Shaq, Funchess, Williams, Mayo: Mayo took Kleins place allowing us not to resign him for a higher price tag. Williams played well as a backup. Funchess is a work in progress but is still paying. 

2016: Butler, Bradberry, Worley: 2 starting CBs and we still don't know what we have in Butler

Summary: 7 starters (Star, Short, KB, Trai, Shaq, Bradberry, Worley), 7 Back-ups that has seen a lot of time and started occassionally (Klein, Kony, Tre, Bene, Williams, Mayo, Butler). 14 total players not including undrafted players. 

@panther4lifethoughts?

Shaq isn't a starter, and Worley was a starter by default, hence our atrocious pass defense last year

[rayzor]

Gross forced out? 

Lol...dude has been trying to retire for a couple years and kept on getting talked into staying. He made comments towards the end about how hard it was to keep on the weight and you can tell he didn't waste any time getting down to the healthy weight he wanted to be at. He was at a reasonable age to retire and had been for a while. He felt loyal to the organization which was reluctant and pretty much unable to move on.  Then he put out an unreasonable number intentionally forcing them to turn it down. We just did not have the cap room to retain him at that point and at the cost he said it would take him to stave off retirement and he rode off into the sunset like he wanted.

[pepaw]

7 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Shaq isn't a starter, and Worley was a starter by default, hence our atrocious pass defense last year

He will be soon enough. He's too good. 

[heel31ok]

1 minute ago, pepaw said:

He will be soon enough. He's too good. 

who is ?

[AceBoogie]

10 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Gross forced out? 

Lol...dude has been trying to retire for a couple years and kept on getting talked into staying. He made comments towards the end about how hard it was to keep on the weight and you can tell he didn't waste any time getting down to the healthy weight he wanted to be at. He was at a reasonable age to retire and had been for a while. He felt loyal to the organization which was reluctant and pretty much unable to move on.  Then he put out an unreasonable number intentionally forcing them to turn it down. We just did not have the cap room to retain him at that point and at the cost he said it would take him to stave off retirement and he rode off into the sunset like he wanted.

Gross was forced out and I'm not going down the road of proving it again. I already linked all of the articles two years ago with Mr. Scott. He was forced into a pay cut and he didn't think he should take a pay cut. I don't know how Gettleman can exhibit the same thing with player after player and y'all still sit here and say nuh uh Gettleman wouldn't do that. Like wake the fug up

[ickmule]

[pepaw]

20 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

who is ?

Shaq. It's nothing against TD but Shaq will be the starter either this season or the next. 

[uncfan888]

2 hours ago, ickmule said:

Gone too soon. Oh well.. Back to hurney. The village idiots that wanted the team ran like a family instead of a business got their wish

[Ivan The Awesome]

The moment I saw "Norman: failed" and discredited Bradberry even tho he graded HIGHER than Norman. I stopped reading. Anyone that does not believe Bradberry to be Normans replacement and dismisses the fact that he played at a higher levelers him as a rookie while he's a 5 year veteran loses all credibility.  

I

The free agents brought in with little money and the production out of them far outweighs any flyer he took on a 5th round pick that didn't pan out. Counting anything beyond the 5th round is asinine.  It's rare to hit more than miss. 

 

I'd like to see how many crippling contracts Gettleman did compared to Hurney. I'll tell you now, it's 0. 

[SmartyHurney]

4 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

The moment I saw "Norman: failed" and discredited Bradberry even tho he graded HIGHER than Norman. I stopped reading. Anyone that does not believe Bradberry to be Normans replacement and dismisses the fact that he played at a higher levelers him as a rookie while he's a 5 year veteran loses all credibility.  

I

The free agents brought in with little money and the production out of them far outweighs any flyer he took on a 5th round pick that didn't pan out. Counting anything beyond the 5th round is asinine.  It's rare to hit more than miss. 

 

I'd like to see how many crippling contracts Gettleman did compared to Hurney. I'll tell you now, it's 0. 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-25-nfl-cornerbacks-this-season

[Ivan The Awesome]

10 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-25-nfl-cornerbacks-this-season

Saca did a thread about the American thing and I can't remember his source material but Bradberry was ranked and graded slightly higher than Norman. 

 

The fact still stands that Bradberry in his rookie season did what it took Norman years to do. To me that's better and he'll continue to get better with each passing year. So the notion of Gettleman not finding a replacement is moot. Worley himself wasn't as bad either. That's two good corners for years to come. Half of the things he said are subjective and reek of opinion. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Are we comparing how they played last year ? Because Norman faced stiffer competition and bradberry missed some games. Not really a fair comparison if that is the case. Also bradberry was a 2nd rounder and Norman was a 5th, Id hope bradberry is ahead of Norman in progression

 

 

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[yasuhara2241]

Shaq isn't a starter, and Worley was a starter by default, hence our atrocious pass defense last year

Yes Shaq is a starter. Base defense is 4-3. He is the third linebacker. No matter if it was by default, he still was a starter.

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