So, To The Point That Supposedly The 8th Overall Should Be An Immediate All-Pro, Here's A List Of The Last Ten 8th Overall Picks

[csx]

8 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Teams don't draft a slot receiver in the first round usually, let alone the top 10.

 

I think CMC will have a fine career and the Panthers could have done worse at pick 8. I'm just not sold that his production could not be found in later rounds and the Panthers address more pressing needs at pick 8. 

Teams absolutely and obvioysly would and should if disturbed out to be Colston or Boldin or Seller or Nelson or Welker. Whats the point of a general statement like that? Teams would do it in a heart beat.

[Jeremy Igo]

35 minutes ago, csx said:

Teams absolutely and obvioysly would and should if disturbed out to be Colston or Boldin or Seller or Nelson or Welker. Whats the point of a general statement like that? Teams would do it in a heart beat.

Show me. List the slot receivers taken in the top 10. I'm not interested in what you think they would do. 

[GoobyPls]

He’s not a bust in the sense Reggie Bush isn’t a bust, yet panthers fans use to call him Reggie Bust.

 

Scat back/slot receivers never get drafted top 10 for  a reason. They are replaceable and easy to find in later rounds

[Davidson Deac II]

I don't know how it will eventually work out with CMC, but we could have drafted a reincarnated Earl Campbell or Barry Sanders and they would have struggled in our run offense early in the year.  

 

In truth though, any draft pick is a gamble.  IMO, there is some luck involved in any pick that works out.  

[imminent rogaine]

19 hours ago, csx said:

At the same point in their careers the following Panthers would be considered busts by the Huddle

Smith

Moose

Kuechly

Davis

Olsen

Short

Jenkins

Norman

Gamble 

Who else?

 

Hardy 

[rippadonn]

He'll be a better NFL RB if he puts on 10-15lbs this offseason. 

[Nails]

11 hours ago, imminent rogaine said:

Hardy 

Good news is there’s still time.  Still 8.5 years younger than Pep.  

[csx]

12 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Show me. List the slot receivers taken in the top 10. I'm not interested in what you think they would do. 

What?

What happened and what teams would have done in retrospect are different. That was my point.

Bringing up what teams do is irrelevant to the value of a draft pick in retrospect. Picking the position that seems flashy at the timecdoesnt help if you select a bust tackles or qbs in the top 10 which happens all the time.

You think teams worry about which round they picked a good player in after the fact if it doesn't go by the book logic?

 

Quit swaying in the wind. Slow down and see what happens.

[Car123]

On 11/23/2017 at 1:08 AM, csx said:

At the same point in their careers the following Panthers would be considered busts by the Huddle

Smith

Moose

Kuechly

Davis

Olsen

Short

Jenkins

Norman

Gamble 

Who else?

 

I don't think CMC is a bust, but Kuechly was Rookie of the Year and Smith was well on his way to the pro bowl. No one would have labeled them busts.

 

[csx]

5 minutes ago, Car123 said:

I don't think CMC is a bust, but Kuechly was Rookie of the Year and Smith was well on his way to the pro bowl. No one would have labeled them busts.

 

Luke didn't take off until mid / end of season. Smith was a special teams only guy his rookie year. If he was drafted now people would be upset with that as a rookie considering he had 154 yds receiving.

[trueblade]

1. When drafting a player in the top 10, the organization is hoping for a Pro Bowl level player by the end of their first contract. 

2. Many teams don't achieve that goal.

I don't think either of these premises is in dispute.

 

[imminent rogaine]

1 hour ago, Nails said:

Good news is there’s still time.  Still 8.5 years younger than Pep.  

True. I think he proved that he wasn't a bust prior to the whole fiasco. 

This probably deserves a thread or two for further discussion.

[Nails]

3 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

True. I think he proved that he wasn't a bust prior to the whole fiasco. 

This probably deserves a thread or two for further discussion.

Absolutely true, no doubt.  And great idea.  No better time than the present.

[iamhubby1]

5 hours ago, Car123 said:

I don't think CMC is a bust, but Kuechly was Rookie of the Year and Smith was well on his way to the pro bowl. No one would have labeled them busts.

 

 

    Although the execution left a little to be desired. The basic concept was there. I think too many Panther fans look at CmC's rushing numbers, and are not happy. They are willing to overlook what is happening in the passing game for whatever reason, to make their stance sound better. Yet, the vast majority see the value he brings.

 

    Keek did win DROY, YEA. Loved it. But Smitty? Not so much. As@csx stated. If Smitty, even as a 3rd rounder, had been drafted last year. Most folks would be riding his azz like a broke bronc.