A little historical quirk (Re: Shula)

[top dawg]

11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Back when Mike Shula was hired for our offensive coordinator position, there were two other candidates for the job. Remember who they were?

Pretty sure most folks remember that Hue Jackson (at the time, an offensive assistant with the Bengals) was one of them, but probably only few remember the other guy. It was Pat Shurmur, who at the time had been fired as head coach of the Cleveland Browns.

Shurmur wound up with the Eagles, and later the Vikings.  In fact, he's done such a good job as Vikings OC that he's getting head coach interviews again. Jackson?  He went back to the Bengals for a few more years, eventually rising to the position of offensive coordinator where he did such a solid job that he ended up getting Shurmur's old gig: head coach of the Cleveland Browns.

So basically, our candidate pool that year was two Cleveland head coaches and Mike Shula.

But even with all the stink that comes with being part of the Browns organization, both the other guys have had consistent success as coordinators.  Shula had one good year, got figured out and hasn't yet to get back to being good again.

Yeah...

What's the point of this?  There isn't one.  In the face of seeing two more years of Shula, I'm just wishing we would have gone in a different direction back in 2013.

But you know what they say: Wish in one hand...

You wouldn't be low-key commiserating would you?  That's not allowed.  Shula is here to stay... 

 

 

 

 

 

...until he goes. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, top dawg said:

You wouldn't be low-key commiserating would you?  That's not allowed.  Shula is here to stay... 

 

 

 

 

 

...until he goes. 

Maybe.

We had the story yesterday that he got a two-year extension. Assistant coach contracts are hardly ever reported so I doubt we'll get confirmation but I have no trouble believing it.

There was word from Alex Marvez that Pat Shurmur is interested in Ken Dorsey if he gets a head coaching job. If that happens, it could open the door to hire Wade Wilson. Rivera and Ron Turner would both be familiar with him from their days in Chicago.

So while Shula may be here to stay, there is a possibility we could improve at quarterback coach.

[PandaPancake]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because, unfortunately for him, teams also have to play defense.

 

I'm very intrigued by this thing called offense. Do you think it could be played in Charlotte?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, PandaPancake said:

I'm very intrigued by this thing called offense. Do you think it could be played in Charlotte?

Not right now.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm pretty sure I didn't say I wanted them as head coach. Just OC, where they've actually been very successful.

The Vikings offense averaged 23.9 points a game and we averaged 22.7 so 1.2 points difference. Vikings averaged roughly 356 yards a game and we averaged 324 or roughly 40 yards difference. Apparently that is the difference between very good and needs to be replaced. So 11th in yards and you walk on water and 17th you are bad and should be replaced by anyone....

Particularly when your defense is top 5 and gives you plenty of short fields and opportunities to have the ball.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

The Vikings offense averaged 23.9 points a game and we averaged 22.7 so 1.2 points difference. Vikings averaged roughly 356 yards a game and we averaged 324 or roughly 40 points difference. Apparently that is the difference between very good and needs to be replaced. So 11th in yards and you walk on water and 17th you are bad and should be replaced by anyone....

Which team is still in the playoffs?

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which team is still in the playoffs?

Which team hasn't played yet? And who won head to head.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Which team hasn't played yet? And who won head to head.

We got them in that game, though I credited that more to the defense.

The Bears game, on the other hand...

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

We got them in that game, though I credited that more to the defense.

The Bears game, on the other hand...

I agree the defense helped a lot on those miscues but we still scored 31 on the best defense in the league. And kept that offense of theirs to 14 points until their  defense gifted the offense 10 points at the end.

[bababoey]

Shula is the Marvin Lewis of OC.  Marvin does just enough to stay a head coach.  He will get you to the playoffs but then can't win once he is there.  For years people said the Bengals had the most talent of anyone in the NFL and they won their division a few times but they could never get over the hump.  Whether it was Carson Palmer getting hurt or Dalton having a terrible game something always got in the way.  But they were never a great team but they were never a awful team either.  They were somewhere in the middle.

Thats Shula.  As much as people bash on him on this board Shula is not awful.  But he is not great either.  He has built this entire offense around Cam.  There are not a ton of short passes and screens because Cam does not do that as well as he does getting the ball down the field and we have never  had a guy who could catch the ball and make a couple guys miss and go the distance ( besides Smith and CMC).   So when you build the offense around one guy and that guy has a bad day you get Atlanta week 17.  But when he has a good day you get the Dolphins game.  Shula will probably never be bad enough to be fired but he will never be good enough to get head coaching looks either.  He will just be ok.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

The Vikings offense averaged 23.9 points a game and we averaged 22.7 so 1.2 points difference. Vikings averaged roughly 356 yards a game and we averaged 324 or roughly 40 yards difference. Apparently that is the difference between very good and needs to be replaced. So 11th in yards and you walk on water and 17th you are bad and should be replaced by anyone....

Particularly when your defense is top 5 and gives you plenty of short fields and opportunities to have the ball.

To be honest though, one of these offenses has Cam Newton at the helm...the other has Case Keenum...you should be able to do more with this offense than the Vikes can do with theirs.

[trueblade]

2 hours ago, PandaPancake said:

I'm very intrigued by this thing called offense. Do you think it could be played in Charlotte?

After watching the Jags, Bills, and Panthers yesterday, it was nice for New Orleans to remind people what a functional offense looks like.

[iamhubby1]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

To be honest though, one of these offenses has Cam Newton at the helm...the other has Case Keenum...you should be able to do more with this offense than the Vikes can do with theirs.

 

    What about the fact that Minny has more talent on Offense than we do? 

 

    Who should do more? The team with talent around a pretty good QB? Or the team that has a really good QB, but much less talent?

 

    It appears that the teams match up rather well Offensively. So if Shumar is a good OC? (As @Mr. Scot has purposed.) Does it not stand to reason, that Shula just may be as well?

 

    

[Cpt slay a ho]

Some of y’all don’t make sense...

im for certain the reason we don’t run a 2min offense other than when needed is because of ron, not shula, also bitching about having funchess on the sideline, and in the same breath bitching about him being in the game on a play where it seens his effort was lackluster is hypocritical.

defense and the teams overall conservativness is a bigger issue than our oc.