Hurney is "the worst GM in the NFL"

[thefuzz]

Just now, top dawg said:

People say he got worse over time, but I don't  necessarily think it's on point.   Although I can't prove it,  I believe that Richardson hampered Hurney the last few years.  But, even still,  Cam and Luke were products of the last couple of years. 

Look,  I am not trying to be a Marty apologist,  just looking to see what he does this next few months before evaluating if he has really learned anything that gives me hope for the future. 

 

A part of the GM's job is the draft....a part.  And a part of the draft is the 1st round...a part.

Hurney was pretty good in the 1st, outside of that, not so good.

Another part of the GM's job is cap management, which Hurney was absolutely unqualified for, and quite frankly awful at.  That is what scares folks like me, who enjoy the cam management side of the business, about handing the reins back to Hurndog.

 

We are going to be in a cap mess pretty soon, unless we navigate this offseason well, and Hurney has given me no faith that he can make the right decisions on drafting for depth, who to sigh long term, who to cut, and how to structure the contracts.

We have a franchise QB, in what should be his prime years, and an inept GM, the fans deserve better.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, top dawg said:

People say he got worse over time, but I don't  necessarily think it's on point.   Although I can't prove it,  I believe that Richardson hampered Hurney the last few years.  But, even still,  Cam and Luke were products of the last couple of years. 

Look,  I am not trying to be a Marty apologist,  just looking to see what he does this next few months before evaluating if he has really learned anything that gives me hope for the future. 

 

Regardless of what he does, he'll still be hampered by his background.

Marty Hurney was never a scout. He went from being a reporter to being a PR guy to being an assistant to being a cap manager to being a GM. It fits Jerry Richardson's pattern of overrewarding loyalty. That's how we got a guy from the ticket office as our Director of Pro Personnel and a logistics guy as our Assistant GM.

Here's hoping that kind of crap is over with Richardson gone.

[cookinbrak]

37 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

But the worst things this idiot ever did was trading away first rounders to move up in the draft for Otah  and Brown.  That took years to overcome.  And he is reported to have offered a first  rounder to move up to pick #33 with the Rams and take JImmy Clausen.  Heck, when we drafted Clausen (at 48 or something like that) 2 teams that desperately needed QBs at the time--KC and Minnesota--passed on  him--in the second round.  THEY had done their homework.  It is also the same draft that Marty traded up in the third to draft---Armanti Edwards.  Wait, he was not through---he then drafted Eric Norwood--a bust 3-4 OLB and we were a 4-3 team. 

This is all you need to know. For all the folks who got here with Cam.

[rayzor]

35 minutes ago, TN05 said:

The only reason the Johnson deal happened was to keep him from going to Atlanta.

understood, but what he offered CJ was WAAAAY more than they were offering. that was his way of negotiating. beg and throw more money than anyone else would think of doing.

[The Natural]

4 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Did it continue under Gettlmean? Same owner, new GM.

 

I'll wait.

Are we pretending the Matt Kalil contract didn't happen? 

[Jon Snow]

32 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I don't think there's anyone who would have chosen to bring Hurney back on this forum.  All I am saying is that now that he's here we should hope that the man has learned a thing or two (or three,  or four,  etc.). Most people may just be stupid,  I get it,  but there are a few that still have and appreciate a capacity for learning.  Hurney is in an extremely unique position. He's had time to observe,  commiserate,  pontificate,  and simply reflect.  Now is his time to mix all that knowledge in a pot and improve upon earlier efforts.  A person doesn't get that opportunity as a GM in the NFL with the same franchise after being fired. I find it intriguing. 

He only came back because JR never wanted him gone in the first place.  There is no justification what so ever to bring back a GM with his track record.  You can't fix stupid.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, rayzor said:

understood, but what he offered CJ was WAAAAY more than they were offering. that was his way of negotiating. beg and throw more money than anyone else would think of doing.

There have been several times when commentators stated that Hurney was "bidding against himself".

I've never been convinced that the Falcons would have offered Johnson anywhere close to what we did.

[rayzor]

43 minutes ago, Marcogreenbush said:

Being cheap doesn't make you win

neither does blowing your cap.

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Are we pretending the Matt Kalil contract didn't happen? 

Once again, that contract isn't nearly as bad as everyone in the media, and for that matter on this board are spouting about, but don't let facts stand in the way.

This was essentially a 2 year, $30M deal.  That contract was structured so we could cut Matt after 2 years with very little pain...of if you want it in real terms...exactly the opposite of how Hurney normally structures his contracts.

[Kevin Greene]

12 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

A part of the GM's job is the draft....a part.  And a part of the draft is the 1st round...a part.

Hurney was pretty good in the 1st, outside of that, not so good.

 

When he stayed in his draft spot and made a selection in the 1st the results were good. When he tried to get clever and traded away future #1s to take a pick he thought merited the move failure was the result.

[Smithers]

4 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Except that it started well before the strike.

No, not really

[Jon Snow]

Just now, thefuzz said:

Once again, that contract isn't nearly as bad as everyone in the media, and for that matter on this board are spouting about, but don't let facts stand in the way.

This was essentially a 2 year, $26M deal, with 7M in dead space if cut after 18.  That contract was structured so we could cut Matt after 2 years with very little pain...of if you want it in real terms...exactly the opposite of how Hurney normally structures his contracts.

Hurney would have back loaded the hell out of Matt's contract and we would truly be fuged.  He still has time to do that unfortunately.  The man is a lose cannon.

[rayzor]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

There have been several times when commentators stated that Hurney was "bidding against himself".

I've never been convinced that the Falcons would have offered Johnson anywhere close to what we did.

iirc, they didn't have anywhere near the cap for it.

i also remember hurney essentially bragging that we were able to keep 20 of 22 starters from a very mediocre team near the end of his tenure.

man, that guy was all over the board trying to keep the "family" together.

 

[Smithers]

5 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Except that it started well before the strike.

Charles johnson, DeAngelo, and Stewart’s  contracts were all around and just after the lockout.