Gettleman calls out Panthers draft strategy

[panthersphan]

“With the second pick, we’re going to take the best player,” Gettleman told the team’s official website. “They screamed at me in Carolina, ‘You’ve got to draft a tackle, you’ve got to draft a tackle.’ If the value’s not there when you pick, you’re going to make a mistake. You’ll make a mistake. We’re going to set ourselves up so that we can take the best player available. And if the best player available is a quarterback, then that’s what we’re going to do.”

 

So Cargo Shorts blames everyone else at the organization for picking Vernon Butler?.....Kony Ealy? Shaq? triple dipping CBs in 2016? Does make you wonder that JR was pulling the strings I guess, but I'm ready to watch him pull some Gettlemagic with that #2 pick, BPA? If he doesn't take Fitzpatrick, Orlando Brown or Barkley over a QB here, I'll bump this thread and hand out pie to all! 

[PandaPancake]

You fugheads are like the guy that breaks up with a girl but no one else can date her.

[TheSpecialJuan]

I think he was referring to us fans and possibly the local media. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

I think he was referring to us fans and possibly the local media. 

To a degree, but more just saying you have to stick to your board and not reach for need no matter what people are saying.

I don't really think it's "calling out" anybody; just illustrating BPA philosophy.

 

[fieryprophet]

He's not calling out anybody, he's talking about what the talking heads were telling him to do when he was here. This is a non-issue.

[CarolinaSamurai]

Simply put his BPA philosophy is flawed. What if BPA is a corner every year you draft for 3 rounds? Do you draft them? No you'd have tons of talent in one area and hardly any everywhere else. It's got to be a combination of both need and BPA. You need x, y, and z positions and the BPA is a b position. However just under him is a y BPA. So you draft the y. You both filled a need and didn't reach. 

[GoobyPls]

It’s gonna be funny seeing the Giants stay irrelevant for years

 

 Best player available had to be the dumbest draft strategy I’ve ever heard.

[Daddy_Uncle]

I'll be really honest I hate the BPA strategy. Too many positions go ignored for too long. BPA for one of your biggest team needs. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

38 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Simply put his BPA philosophy is flawed. What if BPA is a corner every year you draft for 3 rounds? Do you draft them? No you'd have tons of talent in one area and hardly any everywhere else. It's got to be a combination of both need and BPA. You need x, y, and z positions and the BPA is a b position. However just under him is a y BPA. So you draft the y. You both filled a need and didn't reach. 

This. 

Just lol at anyone thinking a team drafts solely on BPA. 

Even BPA is subjective as hell and is proven to be wrong every year. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

It’s gonna be funny seeing the Giants stay irrelevant for years

Best player available had to be the dumbest draft strategy I’ve ever heard.

It's also the one that the vast majority of NFL teams swear by.

 

45 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Simply put his BPA philosophy is flawed. What if BPA is a corner every year you draft for 3 rounds? Do you draft them? No you'd have tons of talent in one area and hardly any everywhere else. It's got to be a combination of both need and BPA. You need x, y, and z positions and the BPA is a b position. However just under him is a y BPA. So you draft the y. You both filled a need and didn't reach. 

That's not how it works.

A BPA draft board doesn't look like a rigid list of guys ranked 1 to 253.  It puts players into tiers based on how good they are at what they do.

So let's say you have two players ranked about equally.  One has a little better draft grade but isn't at a position of need.  The other guy is.  You take the other guy because the difference isn't significant. You're getting someone who can make your team better either way, but this guy adds the extra dimension of filling a hole in your roster.

On the flipside, let's say you've got a choice between using your first round pick on a phenomenal safety (even though your team already has a decent one) or an average at best, and more likely lousy, tackle (and your team does need one). This is where you chose the better guy because all you're doing by reaching for need is adding a player who doesn't make your team better and passing on one who would. that's where "mistakes are made" and teams wind up regretting their decision.

Does that leave you with a need you still have to address?  Sure it does, but taking the lousy player doesn't fill that need either.  Worse, it prevents you from taking someone who could have genuinely helped the team, even if it didn't happen to be in that spot.

To summarize, BPA doesn't ignore need.  It just deprioritizes it.

Now if you're talking about Gettleman specifically, he preferred to fill immediate needs with free agents so that the draft could be done as BPA, but with the cap situation we had that wasn't always possible.

And FYI, Hurney believes in BPA too.  That's why he drafted Luke Kuechly over Fletcher Cox and Dontari Poe even though we needed a defensive tackle (or two) and already had Jon Beason at middle linebacker.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

u cant tell me that CMC was BPA at 8 last year lmao getts

[Mr. Scot]

As mentioned, nobody's being "called out", but there is a tidbit buried in this story that I do find interesting (it's fleshed out more in the Newsday version than the one on the Giants site though).

Per the report, when the OC interviews to replace Chudzinski were done, Gettleman wanted us to hire Pat Shurmur.  Of course, we know that didn't happen.  Rivera chose Mike Shula instead.

Shurmur would have meant retooling a lot of the personnel because his system was WCO based.  System wise, Shula was the better fit.  His background in E-P was more easily adaptable to the Coryell personnel we had.  Shurmur, however, has turned out to be the better play caller and play designer.  That's now pretty obvious to everyone (including Ron Rivera).

We'd have had to make some roster changes, but it's still hard not to wonder what could have been.

 

[Rags]

54 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's also the one that the vast majority of NFL teams swear by.

 

That's not how it works.

A BPA draft board doesn't look like a rigid list of guys ranked 1 to 253.  It puts players into tiers based on how good they are at what they do.

So let's say you have two players ranked about equally.  One has a little better draft grade but isn't at a position of need.  The other guy is.  You take the other guy because the difference isn't significant. You're getting someone who can make your team better either way, but this guy adds the extra dimension of filling a hole in your roster.

On the flipside, let's say you've got a choice between using your first round pick on a phenomenal safety (even though your team already has a decent one) or an average at best, and more likely lousy, tackle (and your team does need one). This is where you chose the better guy because all you're doing by reaching for need is adding a player who doesn't make your team better and passing on one who would. that's where "mistakes are made" and teams wind up regretting their decision.

Does that leave you with a need you still have to address?  Sure it does, but taking the lousy player doesn't fill that need either.  Worse, it prevents you from taking someone who could have genuinely helped the team, even if it didn't happen to be in that spot.

To summarize, BPA doesn't ignore need.  It just deprioritizes it.

Now if you're talking about Gettleman specifically, he preferred to fill immediate needs with free agents so that the draft could be done as BPA, but with the cap situation we had that wasn't always possible.

And FYI, Hurney believes in BPA too.  That's why he drafted Luke Kuechly over Fletcher Cox and Dontari Poe even though we needed a defensive tackle (or two) and already had Jon Beason at middle linebacker.

Bless u Scott

So many times people take BPA literally.  

On the flip side, when you draft for need you get Corvey Irvin and Sione Fua 

 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Rags said:

Bless u Scott

So many times people take BPA literally.  

On the flip side, when you draft for need you get Corvey Irvin and Sione Fua 

Yep.

To illustrate reaching for need...

Let's say you go into a draft needing a tackle, and you're absolutely bound and determined to get one in the first round. It's a weak draft for tackles, but damn it we need one and we're gonna get one.

So your spot comes up. You look at your board and the best tackle currently available is a guy named Byron Bell.

As you're pondering this, someone mentions that there's a linebacker named Luke Kuechly available, and he's pretty good.

You acknowledge that Kuechly is good and all, but you don't need a linebacker because you already have Jon Beason.

So forget that. We're filling that need right now and taking Byron Bell. Best wishes to Luke Kuechly wherever he lands.

...

Think you might regret that decision a few years later?

That's what happens when you put need above best available.