What's Hurney thinking about? A few general answers

[bigdog10]

Becker was put in place by Richardson to take care of his cronies. Becker gives Rivera a two year extension and similarly will give Hurney a two year extension. 

These extensions are nothing more than a stop gap until new ownership gets in place and has their opportunity to put their own people into place. 

The somewhat good news for us fans is that Rivera and Hurney will be forced to do what they can to win over the next two years as their jobs are on the line. The bad news is Hurney could make moves that cripple this teams future (ala paying Norwell top three guard money when you already have top three guard money in Trai)

[Jon Snow]

Keep polishing that turd.

[KBRed]

3 hours ago, Jangler said:

I really want to post something gross, but the only question would have been is.... Where did the maggots come from?

Does it involve Burger King?

[MHS831]

[Panthro]

The Butker/Gano fiasco is all i needed to see to know its the same ole bumbling  Hurney

[t96]

6 hours ago, top dawg said:

He said that the secondary was a need as well as my favorite,  "wide receiver."

Do you not remember how bad of a WR scout Hurney is??? That hasn’t changed. We have no chance of adding any real WR talent through the draft with Hurney here.

[panthers55]

40 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

In business, yes, I can understand that, but this is football business and Hurney is severely lacking in one certain aspect of being a good GM: Scouting.

The dude is by all accounts a nice guy, and very smart. The further from 2010 we get, the more I really feel like that whole mess was JR's call to re-sign those nice young men, even though a few of them sucked. 

But where Hurney really falls short is the evaluation of talent. I'm not just talking about the draft, He has a great track record in the 1st round, I won't argue that, but 2nd and 3rd, he's really sub-par at talent evaluation, and with pro scouting he was down right abysmal. That's where Gettleman outclassed him - pro scouting and evaluating. We all know that Kalil sucks, but there were 5 or 6 other diamonds in the rough that he unearthed at a discount for short term rentals that certainly panned out in our favor. Hell, we wouldn't have had to get Kalil had Oher's brain been scrambled because he looked like the long term solution to our LT problems before that. 

So honestly, I do feel like Hurney can and probably has learned from the past where he blew all our money on an outdated position on aging vets who didn't deserve it. I feel he'll be more hesitant to blow his wad this time around. But I don't trust him to evaluate which of those guys to keep, and in turn, which players to sign as FA's to replace those who leave. 

First of all Hurney isn't making the decision in a vacuum. There is a team of folks helping him so it isn't about his scouting skills but the teams skills. Second, I can think of 3 future Hall of Famer's that Hurney drafted and one potential Hall of Famer he traded for.  I realize Gettleman's drafts may be too recent to judge but who thinks that any of Gettleman's first rounders are all that great with the exception of CMC who is just starting his pro career. Where Gettleman shined was actually in his area of expertise which was really pro-personnel not college. But that just means that Hurney has to rely on his staff. GMs don't have to be great scouts they need to have people working for him who are. As for this time around, trading Clay for Seymour and then picking up Clay for free  when Buffalo dumped him and the whole Benjamin trade look great so far. 

[panthers55]

19 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

Becker was put in place by Richardson to take care of his cronies. Becker gives Rivera a two year extension and similarly will give Hurney a two year extension. 

These extensions are nothing more than a stop gap until new ownership gets in place and has their opportunity to put their own people into place. 

The somewhat good news for us fans is that Rivera and Hurney will be forced to do what they can to win over the next two years as their jobs are on the line. The bad news is Hurney could make moves that cripple this teams figure (ala paying Norwell top three guard money when you already have top three guard money in Trai)

Let's ignore his presser where he just came out and said he wasn't going to overpay this time around and will show more patience and flexibility. Something he said he learned from watching Gettleman.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Let's ignore his presser where he just came out and said he wasn't going to overpay this time around and will show more patience and flexibility. Something he said he learned from watching Gettleman.

But according to most on here Gettlemen was a terrible GM?  Now you're telling me that our current GM (and former terrible GM) learned from his mistakes by copying what our previous terrible GM did?   By that logic it is going to be an epic failure.

[MHS831]

 

I see no way Hurney 2.0 will be any better. 

Second rounders are very valuable picks.  Here are his last ten 2nd rounders that were not traded away-

• Amini Silotolu
• Jimmy Clausen
• Everette Brown
• Sherrod Martin
• Dwayne Jarrett
• Ryan Kalil
• Richard Marshall
• Eric Shelton
• Keary Colbert
• Bruce Nelson

20% (if you call Richard Marshall successful) of these players were not busts.  Ridiculous. 

Throw in his contract negotiations with Jake, CJ, DW, Stew, Godfrey, etc.  and he not only did not draft well, he overpaid his own picks.

He could not draft or sign quality free agents at WR, DT, CB.  Other than that, we were solid.  Oh, and he rode Jake too long before resigning him to a lucrative deal to help him make his Tommy John surgery payments--and then went Cleveland Browns with a QB rotation.  In fact, Rivera wanted Cam--Hurney was leaning Dareus I think. 

[panthers55]

24 minutes ago, Panthro said:

The Butker/Gano fiasco is all i needed to see to know its the same ole bumbling  Hurney

How was that a fiasco. By keeping Butker on the roster it pushed Gano and he had a probowl season. We put Butkur on the active squad letting Joe Webb go. Then due to injury we moved Butkur to the practice squad  and someone plucked him.

That was far from a debacle.

[Ricky Spanish]

17 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

First of all Hurney isn't making the decision in a vacuum. There is a team of folks helping him so it isn't about his scouting skills but the teams skills. Second, I can think of 3 future Hall of Famer's that Hurney drafted and one potential Hall of Famer he traded for.  I realize Gettleman's drafts may be too recent to judge but who thinks that any of Gettleman's first rounders are all that great with the exception of CMC who is just starting his pro career. Where Gettleman shined was actually in his area of expertise which was really pro-personnel not college. But that just means that Hurney has to rely on his staff. GMs don't have to be great scouts they need to have people working for him who are. As for this time around, trading Clay for Seymour and then picking up Clay for free  when Buffalo dumped him and the whole Benjamin trade look great so far. 

We essentially agree then.

Gettleman was a better talent evaluator of pro personnel, Hurney was a better first round drafter.

Having said that, it's a lot easier to draft first round talent when you are constantly in the top half of the draft as opposed to constantly drafting in the mid 20's/early 30's. 

So Hurney might have the better first round track record, but he also had a bigger pool of better prospects to pick from on a more consistent basis. 

[MHS831]

Not to worry, skeptics.  We have a former Topcat on this.  All is well. Nothing to see here.

[panthers55]

7 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

We essentially agree then.

Gettleman was a better talent evaluator of pro personnel, Hurney was a better first round drafter.

Having said that, it's a lot easier to draft first round talent when you are constantly in the top half of the draft as opposed to constantly drafting in the mid 20's/early 30's. 

So Hurney might have the better first round track record, but he also had a bigger pool of better prospects to pick from on a more consistent basis. 

So how many top 10 picks have busted over the years?  The only difference historically  between a  pick at 10 or a pick at 25 was the cost before they put in the rookie salary cap so teams held on to top picks longer because of the money invested. But there are good options up and down the board. Look at Kamura this year and he was a third rounder. If top picks guaranteed top players then explain Cleveland or Chicago or Miami and other perennial basement dwellers. Sure Hurney was around longer but given the average length of NFL careers is 3 years it is pretty amazing he has a pick from 2002  and 2005 still playing at a high level in 2017 and neither were quarterbacks.