Doug Pederson on coaching conservatively

[thefuzz]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That might change with Norv in charge of the offense.

Makes for an interesting question though. If he didn't really have that kind of faith in Shula, why did he stick with him for so long?

You'd have to be a real coward to be so afraid of change that you'd choose to stick with somebody you don't think is very good.

Only thing that makes any sense at all as to why Shula seemed immortal is the one that doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Cam Newton must have wanted him to stay...and that seems too odd to me.

[mc52beast]

Doug drives a 800hp race car

Ron drives a Toyota Prius

[Mojo]

Pederson is awesome.  He's got the kind of mind and balls to get things done . If Wentz can stay healthy I think the Eagles will be a problem for a long time.  Nothing but respect for him.  

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Only thing that makes any sense at all as to why Shula seemed immortal is the one that doesn't make any sense to me.

Cam Newton must have wanted him to stay...and that seems too odd to me.

We know Newton supported him getting the job initially. And some of what Rivera said in his press conference about Newton's reaction would give you the definite impression that he wasn't happy with the firing. 

Of course, even if that's true, there's no way to say whether he was upset about Shula, Dorsey or both. We'd need more information to know for sure.

On the flipside, there were games this season where Cam's body language gave you the distinct impression that he was frustrated with certain things, especially the speed at which the playcalls were coming in.

Hard to say.

[thefuzz]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We know Newton supported him getting the job initially. And some of what Rivera said in his press conference about Newton's reaction would give you the definite impression that he wasn't happy with the firing. 

Of course, even if that's true, there's no way to say whether he was upset about Shula, Dorsey or both. We'd need more information to know for sure.

On the flipside, there were games this season where Cam's body language gave you the distinct impression that he was frustrated with certain things, especially the speed at which the playcalls were coming in.

Hard to say.

Agreed, it's awfully confusing.  Cam looked irritated, and has for a couple seasons now, that said, he may have liked how he was being coached...as a friend rather than boss type thing.

 

I guess this will all unfold at some point.

[top dawg]

20 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

You can be aggressive when you trust your personnel and scheme....IMO Ron trusts neither.

I think it's true.  Ron has hopefully fixed one part of the equation. It's up to the new GM to master the other.  

As for conservatism,  sometimes it's just what the doctor ordered,  sometimes aggression is the order of the day.  Situational play calling takes a lot of skill, an intimate understanding of your personnel, and a little luck.  

I think Rivera is a good coach that can be great. I reject the notion and narrative that he's some conservative coward that coaches out of fear.  He's made some questionable calls that have failed to be sure,  but so has every coach.  His biggest issue was a death grip on Shula and a lack of quality personnel at key positions, especially when it mattered the most. He is a good coach though.  He has had damned good seasons despite dealing with oversights by the GM.  If we've had 7-9 or 8-8 seasons,  it!'s due to personnel issues where we should have had mediocre seasons. Rivera has arguably overachieved when you look at what he's had to deal with, and his record is pretty damned good---certainly not that of a team going .500 every year,  in a pretty tough division. Be appreciative! I was willing to dump them all, including Rivera,  if we did have a mediocre season,  but the man just keeps surprising and really deserves a couple of more seasons (at least)  to see if he can get us to the top. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, Mojo said:

Pederson is awesome.  He's got the kind of mind and balls to get things done . If Wentz can stay healthy I think the Eagles will be a problem for a long time.  Nothing but respect for him.  

I don't think it's just that he's got huge balls though. Heck, Rex Ryan was aggressive as a head coach, but he stunk.

The thing about Pederson is he's aggressive while also being really smart.

During the Super Bowl, they talked about how Pederson and OC Frank Reich basically changed the entire game plan to suit Nick Foles when they saw that having him run the same plays Carson Wentz had been doing just wasn't working.

On the flipside, our coaching braintrust has an unfortunate habit of stubbornly doing the same thing over and over and over again even when it's clearly not working.

[Mojo]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think it's just that he's got huge balls though. Heck, Rex Ryan was aggressive as a head coach, but he stunk.

The thing about Pederson is he's aggressive while also being really smart.

During the Super Bowl, they talked about how Pederson and OC Frank Reich basically changed the entire game plan to suit Nick Foles when they saw that having him run the same plays Carson Wentz had been doing just wasn't working.

On the flipside, our coaching braintrust has an unfortunate habit of stubbornly doing the same thing over and over and over again even when it's clearly not working.

I agree, that's why I said "mind and balls"

 

[Snake]

2 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

He is definitely unorthodox . Every game, all year he did it without hesitation. He had a lucky horseshoe in his pocket that is for sure. There is something to be said about having 100% confidence in your players though. Didn't matter if they lost Sproles, Jason Peters, Wentz, etc for the year.......he coached the same way with the foot on the gas all year. 

It's not luck it's good coaching. Both offense and defense were prepared all year. 

[JARROD]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

SI: Inside the play call that helped win the Super Bowl

I love the way they play, and loved the way Minnesota played all year too. I loved the always going for 2 points, 4th down conversions, even on his side of the field— what a confidence boost to his team. 

Rivera will never be aggressive like that unless Norv wanted offensive control as part of his contract or something.

depressing.

 

[Mr. Scot]

24 minutes ago, Mojo said:

"mind and balls"

Now there's a catchphrase...

[Shocker]

I have no doubt the Rivera kicks the field goal on that 4th down.  Peterson did this all year and thats why they won it.

[Toomers]

 I’m curious as to where all the “aggressive coaching” threads were when this same philosophy was blowing a 28-3 lead last year by passing when even taking a knee and a FG wins you the game. Or passing on 3rd and 1(up 19)and getting strip sacked to change the game.

  Just like every other coaching philosophy. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. 

[rayzor]

11 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

He is definitely unorthodox . Every game, all year he did it without hesitation. He had a lucky horseshoe in his pocket that is for sure. There is something to be said about having 100% confidence in your players though. Didn't matter if they lost Sproles, Jason Peters, Wentz, etc for the year.......he coached the same way with the foot on the gas all year. 

that's exactly how you are supposed to coach if you want to win every game, especially in the modern game. you always respect the other teams ability to score a lot of points in a shot amount of time and should never count on your defense to completely and totally shut the other team down, regardless of how much faith you have in them.

the best defense is a good offense. you use your offense to make it hard for the other team to catch up and you use your defense to make it impossible. whatever you do, you never tap the brakes. you always keep that foot on the gas.