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Our new TE of the Future?

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Mike Gesicki shot up the boards with his combine performance and since we missed out on Hunter Henry we may as well get an even better TE?

https://247sports.com/college/penn-state/Bolt/Greg-Olsen-impressed-with-Penn-State-TE-Mike-Gesicki-115894189

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mike-gesicki?id=2559889 - Performance and Measurables

Not a blocker but Olsen doesn't exactly road grade and we've been just fine with a pass catching TE. He'll be going in the first and we have a later pick so would you pull the trigger or try to trade down? what says everyone but Sanjay.

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For what it's worth, Olsen was being asked live what he thought about this guy and he was "impressed" with his measurables  He goes on to say the following:

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"If he goes to the right system, not a true two-back, downhill power gap run team," Olsen said. "Listen, he's going to have to put his hand on the ground at some point next to a tackle and at least hold his own in there, but for the most part if he's in the right system with a guy who can move him around and get him in space, that size and athleticism and ability to track the ball, there's just not a lot of those guys out there like that."

Unless we are all of the sudden not going to value blocking TEs, I do not see this guy at the top of our board at 24. However, if we truly are shifting away from that mindset (which I don't think we are), then this guy could be a stud for us.

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27 minutes ago, stbugs said:

He had a rough year was supposed to be . He’s got measureables but Hurst and Andrews will be better TEs. This is a case where watching the drills shows you which guys are better at TE position and those two also had pretty good numbers. I thought there were even a few others that looked good who might be later rounds. The Dissly kid from WU was impressive catching and he was also a hands down TE at WU so likely a good blocker. 

Hurst will be a 25 y/o rookie and the reports on Andrews blocking is even worse than Gesicki and any of these guys with OUs QB(Heisman winner) would post better #s than they did.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mark-andrews?id=2560119

"Gives poor effort as a blocker. Lacks aggression. Doesn't look for work enough. Hand usage and angles to his work as a blocker are poor. Big but unreliable in running game.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Rounds 3-4

SOURCES TELL US

 "He's a great big slot receiver. That's it. He won't block at all so what do you have other than a big slot who is an average athlete? I gave him a Day 3 grade." -- AFC regional scout"

 

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Gisecki is a workout warrior. I wouldn't want him before the 5th to be honest. Watch him play and nothing jumps out. Hell, just watch his field drills during the combine. He tested out as the best athlete by far, but he looked like a JAG in the on field drills. Guys like Mark Andrews and Hayden Hurst looked so much smoother and faster while running actual football drills vs. track events.

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4 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

 "He's a great big slot receiver. That's it. He won't block at all so what do you have other than a big slot who is an average athlete? I gave him a Day 3 grade." -- AFC regional scout"

 

You can copy and paste this comment for virtually every top TE coming out of college for most of the last decade. That's the reality of the TE position these days in most of these spread oriented college offenses. Very few college TEs are spending significant time with their hand in the dirt on the line.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You can copy and paste this comment for virtually every top TE coming out of college for most of the last decade. That's the reality of the TE position these days in most of these spread oriented college offenses. Very few college TEs are spending significant time with their hand in the dirt on the line.

Yup hence that's why I did. So it's more about who can create the best mismatches in the passing game for us.

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Just now, Fox007 said:

Yup hence that's why I did. So it's more about who can create the best mismatches in the passing game for us.

Andrews 100%. Listening to Olsen's commentary he was practically begging for the Panthers to take a young TE. He really likes working with the young guys and I think he knows he's in the twilight of his career. I think he wants to work with his successor to continue the legacy. I'd take Mark Andrews in the 2nd with no hesitation. I like Hurst, but I don't like that he's 25. He'll be 29 (30 if someone takes him in the 1st and exercises the 5th year option) when he's signing his second contract.

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I would LOVE  to go back to the Chud - 2 pass catching TE system. We absolutely ruined teams thru the air that year, and Shocked/Olsen patrolling the seams was a huge reason why. 

Can we expect more of that with Norv? Isn't chud Turner disciple?

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22 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Don’t know much about blocking, but they absolutely looked better as TE/receivers. Not saying I’d take any at 1.24, but as TEs they looked better in the drills. 

Yea I see what you and Gorge are saying when I put those on. I didn't think any TE was going in the 1st this year until this came up and they always climb with the workout performers so I put the question out there.

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Andrews 100%. Listening to Olsen's commentary he was practically begging for the Panthers to take a young TE. He really likes working with the young guys and I think he knows he's in the twilight of his career. I think he wants to work with his successor to continue the legacy. I'd take Mark Andrews in the 2nd with no hesitation. I like Hurst, but I don't like that he's 25. He'll be 29 (30 if someone takes him in the 1st and exercises the 5th year option) when he's signing his second contract.

Yea we need a young TE and like I said up above I didn't think any were 1st rounders and make the thread about the new "buzz" workout guy. Didn't pay much attention to him during the year as the other top 3 guys including Goedert got more attention. I hope we get one in the 2nd or 3rd at least....still would rather have Hunter Henry over Butler but now that Star is leaving maybe we'll get some play there.

 

But I still think Mike is going in the 1st on potential. I also think Andrews is getting some overhype based on the Heisman QB he had.

The concept that NFL teams will be going off of is that they think they can teach Mike what the other TEs know and can do already but you can't teach his measurables to the other guys.

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