Is Ryan Kalil still safe?

[t96]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Ryan would be crazy to go for that. Once he retires, the Panthers could come after him for that remaining unearned bonus money. I don't think Hurney would if that's the agreement they made, but there's no guarantee that Hurney will still be the GM.

It doesn't affect Ryan whatsoever, only the team's cap hit in the future. Teams do this ALL THE TIME. Actually it would help Ryan because he gets all the money up front as a signing bonus rather than getting game checks during the season.

Eagles have done this with several players already due to their cap situation this season. Seems like they're going all in now while they still have Wentz on his rookie deal because when it comes time to pay him they're going to be in a dire cap situation. 

And it also seems like we're going all in as evidenced by signing Bree and Poe this early in FA, as well as with the total uncertainty in the front office when new ownership takes over. There's a huge sense of urgency and making this move with Kalil would help us this season and hurt us later on. I bet we do this.

[MHS831]

9 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Panthers could convert all but $1.015M of Ryan Kalil $4.5M base salary into signing bonus along with his $1.5M 3rd day of league year roster bonus while adding 4 dummy/voidable years to create $3.988M of cap room. There would be $3.988M of dead money in 2019 when Kalil retires.

 

Will hurt us in the long run but easy to clear space for this season.

He should be offered a pay cut--you get the Peppers' deal. $5m.  take it or we release you.

[t96]

Just now, MHS831 said:

He should be offered a pay cut--you get the Peppers' deal. $5m.  take it or we release you.

I'd love for that to happen. Doubt it does though. Large majority of players would never ever consider the notion of a straight up pay cut. We can restructure without it hurting Kalil easily.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, thomas96 said:

It doesn't affect Ryan whatsoever, only the team's cap hit in the future. Teams do this ALL THE TIME. Actually it would help Ryan because he gets all the money up front as a signing bonus rather than getting game checks during the season.

If he retires, the Panthers can absolutely come after any unearned bonus money in his contract and there's not guarantee that Hurney will be here and they wouldn't do that. Now ownership, likely new management, possible new GM? That wouldn't be a gamble I'd take if I was Ryan.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

He should be offered a pay cut--you get the Peppers' deal. $5m.  take it or we release you.

This. And honestly, I think that would be a generous offer from us.

[t96]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If he retires, the Panthers can absolutely come after any unearned bonus money in his contract and there's not guarantee that Hurney will be here and they wouldn't do that. Now ownership, likely new management, possible new GM? That wouldn't be a gamble I'd take if I was Ryan.

The bonus money would all be earned this year. It's a signing bonus and the voidable years make it count towards the cap hit but after this year there is no contract so there's nothing for him to "not earn." 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

The bonus money would all be earned this year. It's a signing bonus and the voidable years make it count towards the cap hit but after this year there is no contract so there's nothing for him to "not earn." 

You don't understand. Even though it's already been paid out doesn't mean it's already been "earned". The signing bonus money is paid out essentially as an in good faith agreement that the player will fulfill his contract. In the even that the player retires before his contract expires, the team can absolutely come after the player to recoup that signing bonus money designated for future years and negate the salary cap impacts. Here's an ESPN article talking about just that:

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/41703/retirement-could-be-costly-17-15-million-costly-for-martellus-bennett

Bennett would leave behind $12.95 million not including the $4.2 million in prorated signing bonus money the Packers could try to collect. In all, Bennett could be out $17.15 million if he retires after this season.

[t96]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You don't understand. Even though it's already been paid out doesn't mean it's already been "earned". The signing bonus money is paid out essentially as an in good faith agreement that the player will fulfill his contract. In the even that the player retires before his contract expires, the team can absolutely come after the player to recoup that signing bonus money designated for future years and negate the salary cap impacts. Here's an ESPN article talking about just that:

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/41703/retirement-could-be-costly-17-15-million-costly-for-martellus-bennett

Bennett would leave behind $12.95 million not including the $4.2 million in prorated signing bonus money the Packers could try to collect. In all, Bennett could be out $17.15 million if he retires after this season.

Voided years on a contract work differently and serve only as a purpose to let the team spread out a player's cap hit. Ryan's contract would be voided and end after this year. He'd have played out the entire contract and there'd be nothing for him to have not earned by retiring. 

[Smithers]

Cut him already.  I’d rather spend the money on young talent that will be on the field.

[unicar15]

Kalil is one of my favorite players but he’s played 14 combined games the last two years. He played 6 games last year and we were in the playoffs and won 11 games. He makes us a better team. 

But if there are cap savings to be had with that kind of time missed I would be shocked at all if they told him they were gonna make a change. Again...when healthy I think he’s the best in the league and makes our offense way better. But it’s questionable at this point if he can stay healthy.

[trucpfan]

Why won't he restructure or take a cut for the team he's a big time team guy.

[TheSpecialJuan]

37 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Panthers could convert all but $1.015M of Ryan Kalil $4.5M base salary into signing bonus along with his $1.5M 3rd day of league year roster bonus while adding 4 dummy/voidable years to create $3.988M of cap room. There would be $3.988M of dead money in 2019 when Kalil retires.

 

Will hurt us in the long run but easy to clear space for this season.

nice find 

[Zaximus]

I think if you have a chance to upgrade safety or WR, and you need to cut Kalil because he won't restructure or something, you do it.

I think he may be OK with it, not like he'll lose money.

But you can't hold up getting better for a guy that probably plays half the games this year, honestly.

[Lumps]

If Hurney makes room by cutting Kalil I will be impressed for the first time.