Derrius Guice may have lied about Combine questions

[Saca312]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Keep in mind that part of the reason why we have a good locker room is that we tend to avoid guys who could screw it up.

That's also fair.

I just value Guice's talent highly. I personally feel he's the best pure runningback in this class and I'd be hard-pressed to pass it up in the second round.

First round? Yeah, I'd pass. Second? I'd definitely be considering him despite the flags.

[top dawg]

I laugh at people who say he's the best or most powerful back in this class. 

I wouldn't have him, liar or not.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I laugh at people who say he's the best or most powerful back in this class. 

I wouldn't have him, liar or not.

Care to elaborate?

[cookinbrak]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This story doesn't worry you as a potential red flag?

I don't care what his mom does.

[top dawg]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Care to elaborate?

Well, it's all based on opinion anyways, but I just don't believe he is going to be as prolific as Barkley, Michel, or Chubb. I mean, I don't believe that he has the power or the hands of any of these guys. I'm going on record right now and saying that Penny will become the much better value in round 3 or 4 than Guide will in round 1 or 2 in retrospect after their first three seasons.

[MasterAwesome]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's part of the problem.

It's pretty well-known that Jeff Ireland asked Dez Bryant if his mom was a prostitute a few years ago. There was a huge dust up that followed and Ireland got in plenty of trouble with the league over it.

Nobody's gonna so that again. Thus, claiming that somebody asked you that same thing seems like a pretty obvious lie, and not an especially smart move.

So if you have a guy who's willing to lie and potentially cause other people to get in trouble to bring attention and sympathy to himself in this situation, what makes you think he wouldn't do the same thing if he were on your team and say, not getting as many reps as he wanted?

This story says "maturity issues", "not all that bright", "poor judgment" and "possible problem child / locker room troublemaker" to me. It would very definitely cause me to think twice about him.

So you’re willing to give Jeff Ireland and the other team executives the benefit of the doubt that they would have learned their lesson and never ask those kinds of questions again, but not do so for Guice and suggest that he very well may do the same kind of thing and become a problem?

[arbnranger]

6 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

So you’re willing to give Jeff Ireland and the other team executives the benefit of the doubt that they would have learned their lesson and never ask those kinds of questions again, but not do so for Guice and suggest that he very well may do the same kind of thing and become a problem?

That’s a good point. 

I don’t know this kid but I tend to lean toward he’s telling the truth. I personally don’t have an issue with the questions and could easily see some douche asking them, even if in an indirect way. 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

58 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

Have you heard him speak?? He doesn't come off being too bright. With that said, he's still the most powerful runner in this class.

Have you ever heard Frank Gore speak? I’m not even trying to be mean but I’d be surprised if he isn’t operating at a child’s mental level. He’s still one of the best RBs of his generation.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

So you’re willing to give Jeff Ireland and the other team executives the benefit of the doubt that they would have learned their lesson and never ask those kinds of questions again, but not do so for Guice and suggest that he very well may do the same kind of thing and become a problem?

Ireland was a dumbass and isn't a GM anymore. Someone floated the idea of bringing him here a while back. I wasn't on board, even with the knowledge that he helped the Saints have their great draft last year.

As to the other teams, the only report I've seen out of this year's Combine was this one. It sparked an NFL investigation that now is coming to the conclusion that it didn't happen. So yeah, they seem to have learned...at least for now. That's not to say some idiot won't ask a dumbass question in the future, but as long as the Panthers aren't the ones that do it, that's no big deal to us.

And yes, a guy pulling a stunt like this says "immature" to me. There are definitely things that Guice can do to change that perception, but we'll have to see what happens next.

And it's not like he's the only good running back in the draft.

 

[Davidson Deac II]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's part of the problem.

It's pretty well-known that Jeff Ireland asked Dez Bryant if his mom was a prostitute a few years ago. There was a huge dust up that followed and Ireland got in plenty of trouble with the league over it.

Nobody's gonna so that again. Thus, claiming that somebody asked you that same thing seems like a pretty obvious lie, and not an especially smart move.

So if you have a guy who's willing to lie and potentially cause other people to get in trouble to bring attention and sympathy to himself in this situation, what makes you think he wouldn't do the same thing if he were on your team and say, not getting as many reps as he wanted?

This story says "maturity issues", "not all that bright", "poor judgment" and "possible problem child / locker room troublemaker" to me. It would very definitely cause me to think twice about him.

Maybe it should be a red flag.  But this kind of thing doesn't bother me the way a a bad/violent temper or issues with drug and alcohol abuse would.  Its easier to grow out of being a drama hound than a violent person.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Davidson Deac II said:

Maybe it should be a red flag.  But this kind of thing doesn't bother me the way a a bad/violent temper or issues with drug and alcohol abuse would.  Its easier to grow out of being a drama hound than a violent person.

Valid. It's not the same kind of red flag as something like that.

The story of thing doesn't necessarily say "undraftable", but it does say "immature". The question then becomes just how big of a red flag is "immature" to you?

[4Corners]

There were pics floating around of him and his mother posing in front of a brand new car last year and some other suspicious stuff. Was prob getting $$$$ at LSU. 

[Malt Liquor]

I'm confused those questions have nothing to do with his ability to play football. So if he lied so what. 99.99% of all the people you have ever known has lied at some point in their life. 

[steven8989]

At least he didn't lie about his girlfriend he never had. Te'o what a dumbass