Hurney confirms were not done in free agency on WFNZ

[Cyberjag]

15 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Resources: Cap Room + Human Resources (Humans that can be liquidated for Cap room)

For example, here is how we can create $5m in Cap room by doing some weeding in positions where we got better.  Most of us know this,  but what would $5.3m get you in free agency?

Colin Jones ST/SS  $1.2m:  Last year, Jones started 7 games and got his second career interception.  He turns 31 during the season, so it is likely that he has lost speed.  His combined 23 tackles during a season where he started 7 games suggests that his special teams expertise may be slipping or he has little value as a defensive player.  We now have more speed (Jackson, Gaulden, Haynes, etc) on special teams and need the roster spot, especially if we add a S to join Searcy, Adams, Gaulden, and Cox (good depth and a bargain at $550,000.)

Capt. Munnerlyn Nickel $1.3m (post June 1)  Get the feeling he is gone?  When mouth exceeds productivity and the second round draft pick (Jackson) and a player coming off IR (Corn) plays the nickel, you better be worth a nickel.  Captain is probably losing his job, so the Panthers need to eat a bad contract and save $1.3m after June 1. 

Russell Shepard WR  $2.8 m (post June 1) I really do not see both sides of the debate.  He had Cam  have no chemistry and he has no hands.

(Mike Adams, SS  $2m:  Not that I recommend it, but  this is what it would save.

KK's cap figures for the next four years (this included) are 17m, 17m, 18m, and 18.5m.  His base salary this year is 12.5m.  If we converted 8m of that to bonus, then he would make the same but the cap figures would become 11m, 19m, 20m, and 20.5m.  That would generate 6m of cap for this year.  Next year we're going to be something like 35-40m under the cap if everyone who says they're going to retire actually retires.  The only two players who would be due big raises are Funchess and CAP, so we could easily absorb KK's cap hit going up.

That's just one way to generate some money if we need it for this coming season.  Yes, it creates dead money later on, but we have options.

[Cyberjag]

11 hours ago, panthers55 said:

If the rookies are our best option then absolutely they should play. That would mean they are ahead of schedule or our vets suck.

Yes, but it doesn't rule out the position being an overall weakness.  I won't be surprised if this is a place where we look for a vet in Free Agency.  While I like having Adams back there calling out assignments, it's hard to trust that his age won't finally catch up to him.

[trueblade]

38 minutes ago, Cyberjag said:

KK's cap figures for the next four years (this included) are 17m, 17m, 18m, and 18.5m.  His base salary this year is 12.5m.  If we converted 8m of that to bonus, then he would make the same but the cap figures would become 11m, 19m, 20m, and 20.5m.  That would generate 6m of cap for this year.  Next year we're going to be something like 35-40m under the cap if everyone who says they're going to retire actually retires.  The only two players who would be due big raises are Funchess and CAP, so we could easily absorb KK's cap hit going up.

That's just one way to generate some money if we need it for this coming season.  Yes, it creates dead money later on, but we have options.

Short term gain, long term pain.

[bababoey]

2 hours ago, Cyberjag said:

KK's cap figures for the next four years (this included) are 17m, 17m, 18m, and 18.5m.  His base salary this year is 12.5m.  If we converted 8m of that to bonus, then he would make the same but the cap figures would become 11m, 19m, 20m, and 20.5m.  That would generate 6m of cap for this year.  Next year we're going to be something like 35-40m under the cap if everyone who says they're going to retire actually retires.  The only two players who would be due big raises are Funchess and CAP, so we could easily absorb KK's cap hit going up.

That's just one way to generate some money if we need it for this coming season.  Yes, it creates dead money later on, but we have options.

 If Cameron Artis-Payne gets a big raise for basically doing nothing on the field, then I will get my pitchfork out with everyone else on here and go find Hurney so we can sting him up.

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, Cyberjag said:

Yes, but it doesn't rule out the position being an overall weakness.  I won't be surprised if this is a place where we look for a vet in Free Agency.  While I like having Adams back there calling out assignments, it's hard to trust that his age won't finally catch up to him.

Nothing wrong with adding another safety at a good price given this is likely Adams final season. Just don't think we have to add someone because we aren't very good.

 

[shaqattaq]

19 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Resources: Cap Room + Human Resources (Humans that can be liquidated for Cap room)

For example, here is how we can create $5m in Cap room by doing some weeding in positions where we got better.  Most of us know this,  but what would $5.3m get you in free agency?

Colin Jones ST/SS  $1.2m:  Last year, Jones started 7 games and got his second career interception.  He turns 31 during the season, so it is likely that he has lost speed.  His combined 23 tackles during a season where he started 7 games suggests that his special teams expertise may be slipping or he has little value as a defensive player.  We now have more speed (Jackson, Gaulden, Haynes, etc) on special teams and need the roster spot, especially if we add a S to join Searcy, Adams, Gaulden, and Cox (good depth and a bargain at $550,000.)

Capt. Munnerlyn Nickel $1.3m (post June 1)  Get the feeling he is gone?  When mouth exceeds productivity and the second round draft pick (Jackson) and a player coming off IR (Corn) plays the nickel, you better be worth a nickel.  Captain is probably losing his job, so the Panthers need to eat a bad contract and save $1.3m after June 1. 

Russell Shepard WR  $2.8 m (post June 1) I really do not see both sides of the debate.  He had Cam  have no chemistry and he has no hands.

(Mike Adams, SS  $2m:  Not that I recommend it, but  this is what it would save.

I was a big fan of Captain his first time around, but he didn't show me anything last year. I think Seymour or Corn (not that I've ever seen him play) will take his spot.I think that Jackson could slide to nickel if needed, but it really sounds like he's intended to play outside, particularly in man coverage.

Jones has been a ST rock for us, but is a liability at safety. not worth the money.

Shepard just didn't ever pan out for us. Letting him go is a no-brainer.

I agree that we should keep Adams...unless we know were using his $2 million to sign a better veteran safety. He did OK last season.

[Cyberjag]

1 hour ago, bababoey said:

 If Cameron Artis-Payne gets a big raise for basically doing nothing on the field, then I will get my pitchfork out with everyone else on here and go find Hurney so we can sting him up.

The vet minimum for him in 2019 will be 805K, which is 100K more than he will make this year.  So maybe not THAT big a raise, in football terms at least.

[ImaginaryKev]

I'd like a S and RB like everyone else. And I'm surprised people don't make the Jonathan Joseph comparison in regards to Donte esp considering we're in Carolina and Joseph barely played there

[grimesgoat]

19 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Resources: Cap Room + Human Resources (Humans that can be liquidated for Cap room)

For example, here is how we can create $5m in Cap room by doing some weeding in positions where we got better.  Most of us know this,  but what would $5.3m get you in free agency?

Colin Jones ST/SS  $1.2m:  Last year, Jones started 7 games and got his second career interception.  He turns 31 during the season, so it is likely that he has lost speed.  His combined 23 tackles during a season where he started 7 games suggests that his special teams expertise may be slipping or he has little value as a defensive player.  We now have more speed (Jackson, Gaulden, Haynes, etc) on special teams and need the roster spot, especially if we add a S to join Searcy, Adams, Gaulden, and Cox (good depth and a bargain at $550,000.)

 

Capt. Munnerlyn Nickel $1.3m (post June 1)  Get the feeling he is gone?  When mouth exceeds productivity and the second round draft pick (Jackson) and a player coming off IR (Corn) plays the nickel, you better be worth a nickel.  Captain is probably losing his job, so the Panthers need to eat a bad contract and save $1.3m after June 1. 

 

Russell Shepard WR  $2.8 m (post June 1) I really do not see both sides of the debate.  He had Cam  have no chemistry and he has no hands.

 

(Mike Adams, SS  $2m:  Not that I recommend it, but  this is what it would save.

 

 

 

 

 

These are savings against the cap, but you still need to replace these guys which impacts the cap. 

For example, releasing Colin Jones saves 1.2m, but then his roster spot is taken by someone like Gaulden making .7m.  The net savings is only .5m.

[grimesgoat]

Cutting Munnerlyn is a real dilemma.  You can cut him and spread the dead money over two years costing 3.2m per year, then replace him with some bum making .7m or pay him 3.9m.  Same difference except you still have another 3.2m dead next year.  You don't want too many of these piling up.

Having said that - I have no problem dumping Munnerlyn for Corn.  Give me a young hungry guy every time.

[panthers55]

My personal sense is Captain is worth keeping to help the younger guys with their technique and for his attitude. Then again if he doesn't accept his role and acts like he did last Fall then he needs to hit the road.

[Soul Rebel]

23 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Resources: Cap Room + Human Resources (Humans that can be liquidated for Cap room)

For example, here is how we can create $5m in Cap room by doing some weeding in positions where we got better.  Most of us know this,  but what would $5.3m get you in free agency?

Colin Jones ST/SS  $1.2m:  Last year, Jones started 7 games and got his second career interception.  He turns 31 during the season, so it is likely that he has lost speed.  His combined 23 tackles during a season where he started 7 games suggests that his special teams expertise may be slipping or he has little value as a defensive player.  We now have more speed (Jackson, Gaulden, Haynes, etc) on special teams and need the roster spot, especially if we add a S to join Searcy, Adams, Gaulden, and Cox (good depth and a bargain at $550,000.)

 

Capt. Munnerlyn Nickel $1.3m (post June 1)  Get the feeling he is gone?  When mouth exceeds productivity and the second round draft pick (Jackson) and a player coming off IR (Corn) plays the nickel, you better be worth a nickel.  Captain is probably losing his job, so the Panthers need to eat a bad contract and save $1.3m after June 1. 

 

Russell Shepard WR  $2.8 m (post June 1) I really do not see both sides of the debate.  He had Cam  have no chemistry and he has no hands.

 

(Mike Adams, SS  $2m:  Not that I recommend it, but  this is what it would save.

 

 

 

 

 

Whats the dead money on Capt?  For some reason i thought his dead money didnt allow us to cut him. If what you're saying is true, I would def cut him. He looked horrible last year and the rotation of Cockrell/Jackson/Elder/Luke is worth having his money help us get safety and RB help.

I'm with you on all of this, though I'd keep Adams and drop Fozzy. The reason being that I believe we bring in another RB (Anderson, Darkwa, another cut) and Fozzy becomes buried.

Would also like to see R Kalil trim some fat off that contract to help put together one last run for him.