NFL executives share thoughts on Carolina Panthers’ draft class with ESPN’s Mike Sando

[Rags]

3 hours ago, jumpman910 said:

Green Bay has Kevin King and he's 6'2/6'3. But Alexander and Jackson are better than he is and they took him early second last year after trading down. 

Completely forgot about Kevin King, I remember hearing he was preforming pretty well last season.

[pantherclaw]

13 hours ago, Snake said:

Signing DJ Moore in my opinion is writing on the wall for Samuel. I've been warning people his injury was not close to healed. 

Moore compares to Samuel? 

Not sure I agree with that. 

Samuel still has time to show he can be a mainstay on offense.

[grimesgoat]

13 hours ago, Snake said:

Signing DJ Moore in my opinion is writing on the wall for Samuel. I've been warning people his injury was not close to healed. 

Do you have any actual intel on this?

Because giving up on a 21-year old kid who ran a 4.31 and amassed 1600 yards and 15 TDs for Ohio State just 1 year ago is not someone I'd give up on after 1 year.

[TheCasillas]

11 hours ago, Rags said:

Completely forgot about Kevin King, I remember hearing he was preforming pretty well last season.

The first pick of the second round in April's draft, King has missed two of the past three games with the ailment. He was mostly bad in coverage as a rookie, allowing a 102.9 passer rating 

This was when he was placed on IR. He did not have a good rookie season. Constantly out of place, and never adjusted to the system. I'm interested to see what happens with him.

[mc52beast]

If Cam had a half decent o-line he could make Armanti Edwards look like Jerry Rice

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

19 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hiring better secondary coaches to bring them up to speed would be a nice step too.

I don't believe for a moment that it's coincidental how as soon as Steve Wilks stepped away from directly coaching the secondary (and Richard Rodgers and Curtis Fuller took over) things started going downhill.

Totally agree. I just wish Fuller didn't do this so close to off season activities as finding a replacement outside of "in house" would be difficult. I read on CBS Sports this morning that they are considering Rodgers for the position which I'd rather chew my left ankle off than to trust him with the secondary. I remember the disaster that was Special Teams when he was the coach. Ron Rivera is loyal to a fault.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

Moore compares to Samuel? 

Not sure I agree with that. 

Samuel still has time to show he can be a mainstay on offense.

Their skill sets are the same. Neither has proven much in the NFL. Only difference is one had a horrible injury and the other didn't. Also if you thought Samuel was going to be 100% why not draft a guy that's tall, fast, and runs good routes? 

[hepcat]

46 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

If Cam had a half decent o-line he could make Armanti Edwards look like Jerry Rice

Great protection could never make Armanti Edwards run faster

[Moo Daeng]

20 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hiring better secondary coaches to bring them up to speed would be a nice step too.

I don't believe for a moment that it's coincidental how as soon as Steve Wilks stepped away from directly coaching the secondary (and Richard Rodgers and Curtis Fuller took over) things started going downhill.

Our passing defense was better in every statistical category other than interceptions in 2017 than it it was in 2016. 

[Rags]

1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

The first pick of the second round in April's draft, King has missed two of the past three games with the ailment. He was mostly bad in coverage as a rookie, allowing a 102.9 passer rating 

This was when he was placed on IR. He did not have a good rookie season. Constantly out of place, and never adjusted to the system. I'm interested to see what happens with him.

Yikes. I didn't know he was doing that bad 

[pantherclaw]

44 minutes ago, Snake said:

Their skill sets are the same. Neither has proven much in the NFL. Only difference is one had a horrible injury and the other didn't. Also if you thought Samuel was going to be 100% why not draft a guy that's tall, fast, and runs good routes? 

1 is a full time receiver that can run the entire route tree, and snatches the ball out of the air with his hands. 

The other was more of a Swiss army knife, and likes to make easy catches look difficult. 

Plenty of differences.

[Woodie]

2 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

1 is a full time receiver that can run the entire route tree, and snatches the ball out of the air with his hands. 

The other was more of a Swiss army knife, and likes to make easy catches look difficult. 

Plenty of differences.

True, they aren't at the same place developmentally, but I do agree with Snake in that there are similarities in what they do, and more importantly, in the role they will have in the offense.  Both are athletic guys that thrive on taking the underneath throw and turning it into a big play.  Samuel was used more as a runner in college than Moore, but their general styles are similar. 

With that said, I also think both can play inside and out.  And while neither was used a lot as a deep threat, I think both have the ability to be dangerous downfield.  To me, both are versatile receivers that can be used in a multitude of ways to keep the defense off-balance.  So, I really don't see an issue with keeping both going forward.  

[Snake]

20 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

1 is a full time receiver that can run the entire route tree, and snatches the ball out of the air with his hands. 

The other was more of a Swiss army knife, and likes to make easy catches look difficult. 

Plenty of differences.

Both are used in the z position in this offense so no difference at all in their roll. Only difference is ones hurt and ones not. 

[RumHam]

21 hours ago, Rick Grimes said:

Just about everyone in the league wants to “take their chances” against our secondary.

Jackson and Gaulden will be nice players for us. It will take time, but together they should be a nice starting point to rebuilding one of the worst secondaries in the league.

that was supposed to be worley and bradberry. yet here we are.