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dj moore is raising more red flags than the coast during hurricane season to me

bewonee

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i know everyone here is high on moore. i was as well, but looking at some film and at his stats plus taking into account the defenses he played were awful, i'm worried. he has a much higher bust potential than y'all realize. im one of the bigger homers here and even i can see it now. dj moore is like a less athletic tavon austin based on what ive seen. take the penn state game for example:

 

first play is a screen pass which goes for 4. okay, thats fine. next play is some gadget bullshit that loses 10 yards. the play after that is.. another screen.. next play is incomplete, and guess what, another fuging screen after that. his route tree is awful. literally awful. it isn't anything but screens and slants. you cant even call it a route tree. he doesnt have a gain over 10 yards untill maryland is down 21-0. as a matter of fact, that is another area of concern for me. garbage time stat padding. notice how many of his highlights come from his team being down multiple scores? yeah, i did too. but you know what? maybe this is just a bad game, a fluke. Let's look at another game instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhOQLGZIYjY

first catch is a screen. reinforcing narratives here. disappears for 2 snaps, then shows up and is covered well on a batted pass. disappears completely for a while again , as maryland falls behind 21-0. incomplete on a corner route. next play is a gadget play, reinforcing the tavon austin comparison. next play is a simple flat route which goes for a gain of like 8, his best play of the game outside of the gadget pass. next play is a screen. this gets really repitive doesn't it? screens, slants and one (1) flat route are the only successful routes i have seen him run. that isn't what we need, we need seperation. after a few plays of him being a ghost again, being targetted but covered like a blanket, or incompletions by the bad qb play, he makes a great catch but it only goes for like 5. another slant screen type play for a first but only 4 yards or so. next is another slant screen which is stuffed. and thats it.

 

gonna get poo'd to hell and back but i really dont care, im concerned as hell about this pick here.

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1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

His QB's at Maryland sucked, it's pretty much all they could run successfully. It was bad to watch that offense. 

they did but whenever he ran a non slant or screen he was blanketed. qb's cant do anything in that situation. i noted a few misses but also keep in mind these are big 10 defenses.

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I also agree his route tree is pretty limited and he was picked on potential and athleticism way more than polish. I don't know what Smitty was saying when he said he can run all the routes because nearly all the draft analysts disagreed with him. I absolutely think with QB continuity and good coaching he's gonna get there, but at the moment it would be crazy for anyone to say he is a polished route runner. 

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1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

No offense but your scouting doesn't concern me a bit. 

wasn't the intention. bringing to light some glaring flaws.

 

2 minutes ago, London Loves Luke said:

I also agree his route tree is pretty limited and he was picked on potential and athleticism way more than polish. I don't know what Smitty was saying when he said he can run all the routes because nearly all the draft analysts disagreed with him. I absolutely think with QB continuity and good coaching he's gonna get there, but at the moment it would be crazy for anyone to say he is a polished route runner. 

yeah, i also figured that and the second he was picked i knew ridley would be better right away but the thing is, his college film is still concerning. if we wanted high potential we could have found that later in the draft.

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Just now, 1989 said:

He looked pretty great in that video you posted. Caught everything catchable that was thrown his way...with his QB staring him down the whole time. 

the first one or the second one? im assuming you mean the first one, and yeah, but the catches all came on simple routes, slanting or crossing and also i wouldn't say he caught everything that was catchable. most of those catches also came in garbage time when the d wasn't trying.

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I don’t see Moore comparing to Austin in any way at all. They are complete opposite style of players. My concern with Moore is strictly his rawness as a route runner but he has the traits to be a quick learner there if Norv and Lance can help him. 

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2 minutes ago, t96 said:

I don’t see Moore comparing to Austin in any way at all. They are complete opposite style of players. My concern with Moore is strictly his rawness as a route runner but he has the traits to be a quick learner there if Norv and Lance can help him. 

wouldn't say complete opposite, great in open field, rough at routes and actual wr like things, dj is a bit bigger though. i just hope for the sake of us he doesn't flop.

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