McCaffrey doubters

[saints4lifeagain]

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

He did do that.  But heck the whole league broke Colemans tackles last year.

He did have some success between the tackles last year.

But id say (im trying to find the breakdown) 70% of his carries were outside getting in space.  His catches outside were in space.

Turn on any highlight film of his last year, and most of it is get him outsode or on space with a few little inside carries sprinkled.

And remember, teams cant stack the box vs Sean Paytons teams unlike Shula's.  Remember the stat where Stewart has been atop of the league in carries into stacked boxes.  You dont think that changed because CMC was in.  Teams didnt fear to with Shula calling the shots 

77 of Kamaras 141 attempts for the year were between the guards. I linked a 30 minute highlight a while back and the first 7+ minutes were inside carries. 

Again, your assertion is lazy, at best. And flat out wrong.

[ncfan]

2 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

77 of Kamaras 141 attempts for the year were between the guards. I linked a 30 minute highlight a while back and the first 7+ minutes were inside carries. 

Again, your assertion is lazy, at best. And flat out wrong.

Maybe i missed that,

But for the most part all of his highl8ghts and success came outside in space.  Ingram was the Hammer inside

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-saints/0ap3000000876695/Instant-Playbook-Baldy-breaks-down-the-best-runs-from-Alvin-Kamara-and-Mark-Ingram

[saints4lifeagain]

16 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Maybe i missed that,

But for the most part all of his highl8ghts and success came outside in space.  Ingram was the Hammer inside

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-saints/0ap3000000876695/Instant-Playbook-Baldy-breaks-down-the-best-runs-from-Alvin-Kamara-and-Mark-Ingram

His longest run of the year was behind the RG for Christs sake lol.

Watch the video. Literally the first 7+ minutes are straight up the gut. You guys want to claim him as a gadget player when he simply isn't. 

Edit: sorry. It's from about 4:30 to 10:30.

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

His longest run of the year was behind the RG for Christs sake lol.

Watch the video. Literally the first 7+ minutes are straight up the gut. You guys want to claim him as a gadget player when he simply isn't. 

He’s an amazing player no doubt, him and CMac both had 80 receptions and 5 touchdowns but Kamara had nearly double the yards per carry and 8 rushing touchdowns to 2.

stat wise for rushing it wasn’t close. 

Obviously we will see what happens this year. CMac has been exceptional at picking up blitzes and pass protection, but honestly I haven’t looked at Kamaras ratings on it or tried to compare.

the 2nd and 3rd year is usually when you see what you really have in a running back— the first year people are still devoid of a lot of tape and tendencies.

[shaqattaq]

43 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Armah could very well be as good as Moose, can see him going to a pro bowl soon

Too soon to tell, but I definitely like what I'm seeing this year. I think it's only going to get better once we roll out our real offense. I could see Armah having a few plays drawn up for him. I keep hearing about his "soft" hands, but we haven't used him much as a receiver in preseason. More importantly, he seems smart, and appears to genuinely enjoy running into opposing players.

[saints4lifeagain]

5 minutes ago, JARROD said:

He’s an amazing player no doubt, him and CMac both had 80 receptions and 5 touchdowns but Kamara had nearly double the yards per carry and 8 rushing touchdowns to 2.

stat wise for rushing it wasn’t close. 

Obviously we will see what happens this year. CMac has been exceptional at picking up blitzes and pass protection, but honestly I haven’t looked at Kamaras ratings on it or tried to compare.

the 2nd and 3rd year is usually when you see what you really have in a running back— the first year people are still devoid of a lot of tape and tendencies.

I like CMC. As I said, I think he got served a raw deal in the run game last year. I do see some things in his game that I don't think he does quite as well as Kamara, mainly running through contact, but we'll see once the season gets started. Maybe the bulk up helped. I think Kamara showed superior vision last year, but it's hard to say how much of that was on Carolinas oline. 

People take it as a slight that I think Kamara is better and it's not. I'd take CMC on my team 7 days a week. But when you watch tape and games, Kamara pops off the screen. He screams special. Best back in the league special, if he can carry the load.

[JARROD]

54 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I like CMC. As I said, I think he got served a raw deal in the run game last year. I do see some things in his game that I don't think he does quite as well as Kamara, mainly running through contact, but we'll see once the season gets started. Maybe the bulk up helped. I think Kamara showed superior vision last year, but it's hard to say how much of that was on Carolinas oline. 

People take it as a slight that I think Kamara is better and it's not. I'd take CMC on my team 7 days a week. But when you watch tape and games, Kamara pops off the screen. He screams special. Best back in the league special, if he can carry the load.

For sure—

as far as Marshall Faulk— the dude scored 136 touchdowns total, and had almost 19000 yards in 12 playing seasons between 12500 rushing yards(approx) and about 6800 receiving yards— and some of his systems were not running back receiver friendly— 

The only back right now Id put in that category is LeVeon Bell, his game highlights look similar, stats the first 5 seasons look similar etc

I like a lot of young players, and many flash a lot of awesomeness,.. but many more over the years have and then injuries or desire got them.

Javed Best looked like something truly special for about 2 seconds— and he was for the 2 seconds he played,...

its a rant, and I am guilty sometimes too— but many forget or weren’t around to see just how great the great players were,..

we will see 5 seasons in what folks like Kamara, CMac, Fournette, and a host of others look like,.. 

[luke nukem]

Im still worried to death about durability, nice having CJ as a back up though. worse case scenario we have a better version of J stew come fill in, which is nice.

[Pantha-kun]

I'm hoping the trend of his running improving over the 2nd half of last season and this pre-season, translates to the regular season. 

His rushing stats weren't good last year but neither was Stewarts, that was more of a reflection of our oline's piss poor run blocking in the first half of the year and Shula ramming CMC up the gut and giving tosses to Stewart. 

I would love to see him get 1000 and 1000 (rushing and receiving). I know that seems ridiculous now but if we're going to essentially run our offense through him like we have been in the pre - season, its not terribly unreasonable.  

Found this :Roger Craig and Marshall Faulk are the only players inNFL history to have 1,000 yards both rushing and receiving in the same season. Johnson finished the 2016 season with 1,239 rushing yards and 879receiving yards.   

 

Whelp. Maybe 700 rushing and 700 receiving ? 

[Panthers8969]

cmc "doubter" here. I think he improved as the season went on last year and he looks solid in the preseason too but that doesn't mean much to me (preseason in general). I'm optimistic that hell be solid as runner this season as it would be stupid to think a rookie can't improve. Last season though, i think he proved a lot of people right that his running left a lot to be desired. I also think that Shula's dumbass contributed to that as well as some questionable oline play. I love what he brings to the table as a receiver too. 

I just really wish media would stop hyping up his muscles. Not even close to the strongest guy on the team yet every social media account wants to flaunt his muscles. Why not Luke's or KK's? becoming a pet peeve of mine

[yayfootball]

I was pretty confident McCaffrey would be a good player, but I was very much opposed to the selection due to the value of the #8 pick and the ease of finding a competent running back. Remember, this was the draft where both KC and Houston gave up 2018 first rounders to move up and take quarterbacks at #10 and #12. It stands to reason that either of those teams would have been happy to make the same deal for #8, so for this pick to be worth it, the value that McCaffrey provides over what we would get from an average back has to be equal to the value we would expect to get from two first round picks. CMC is a better receiver than I realized at the time, so that changes the equation a little bit, but I still think we would have been better off trading down and taking one of the many talented defensive backs in that draft.

[JawnyBlaze]

I think that watching him play against other teams’ first string he’s run with substantial power and great decisiveness. He hits holes quicker now and has actually broken a number of tackles, which was his biggest problem last year-getting tackled by the first person that laid hands on him. It looks to me he’s going to have a meteroric rise in productivity this year. 

[kungfoodude]

I was not a big fan of the pick but it was 75% based on taking a RB that high in the draft and 25% Shula ball.

Much less concerned now with Turner and with CMC looking like he has improved as a runner. 

[top dawg]

On 8/27/2018 at 11:25 AM, Mr. Scot said:

Size and durability we're pretty commonly cited reasons for doubt.

I had a lot of concern about durability, as I do with any back his size, but it sounds like less so than @Toomers, but like him I still do have some concern though it's waning. The jury is still out, but some backs his size are just as tough as any back. He may just be one of those tough backs. 205 ain't big, but it ain't small.

As for his not bring a running back, I never believed it. I always thought that his lack of success in the beginning was more about Shula repeatedly running him into a wall, and McCaffrey's desire to dance. The kid showed in college that he can produce, and him being a McCaffrey, I just didn't think it was a fluke. 

Now that he is the man, it makes drafting him in that with spot look more acceptable (though, admittedly, I wouldn't have done it).