My one take away...

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Yea the thing that impressed me even more than the yac on moore td was the way he reached and caught it with only a slight hop instead of like Funchess or some others do where they jump as high as they can, breaking their stride

 

    Granted, the throw was right where you want it. And DJ just reached out and caught it. It was a thing of beauty. Not sure why some WRs have to leave their feet to make those higher throws? You have to believe they have been taught not to do that. Obviously, you can't run if your feet are not on the ground. Also, you lose a good bit of body control. But hey, as long as they catch the dad burn ball right?

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

DJ Moore got his first NFL catch late in this game.  This coming off a week of Ron saying they wanted to bring him along slowly in contrast of Quinn on Ridley....

well it is obvious how stupid that is. 

DJ Moore has unmatched ability even if a rookie compared to the rest of our WRs.  They need to throw him into the fire and give the kid legit reps.   That 50+ yard TD was largely on DJ after the catch.  

and why did Cam go at him late? Because he is tired of average dudes at WR who aren’t playmakers.  Smart ball actually would have been to a big body but I can’t blame game.    You can tell how tired he is from average play everywhere.  With Olsen gone he has CMC to throw the ball to.  No one else a real threat.  Just dudes who might catch the ball. 

Play DJ Moore Ron and I’m not talking about a couple end around fakes.  Throw the dude out there and let him play WR.  

 

 

[emhoward]

2 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    I concur that Wright had himself a great game. He is who we thought he would be. And he deserves to get his playing time/targets.

 

    That said. DJ needs to see the field as well. And I agree that he seems to play better from the slot. So the only other way to get him targets without Wright leaving the field? Go 4 wide. Gets both Wright, and DJ into that slot spot. Plus, that formation, with McC in the backfield spreads that Defense out big time.

 

    That is my dream scenario. Funch, and Wright, on the left. Samuel, with DJ, on the right.

If Moore isn't ready for the outside and can only play slot right now, why not try Wright on the outside? Anyway to get the best players on the field.

[Palmetto]

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, emhoward said:

If Moore isn't ready for the outside and can only play slot right now, why not try Wright on the outside? Anyway to get the best players on the field.

 

    Well damm. That's a good question. 

 

    Maybe they have tried Wright outside, and maybe they didn't like the results? Maybe they view Wright as just a slot guy? Maybe...um, I got nothing. 

 

    I do know that Norv has said that he wants to spread Defenses out more often. If he went 4 wide, he could put both Moore, and Wright, at a slot position. I've said it before. 4 wide, with McC in the backfield would be cool as all get out.

[Chardee MacDennis]

4 hours ago, top dawg said:

I mostly agree with you, but Moore doesn't know how to get open like Samuel at this point. He is going to have to prove that he can. Samuel gets open with regularity. He showed it last year, and in preseason this year. I hope he comes back soon.

And I'm assuming by saying Moore doesn't know how to get open, you are implying that Funchess and Torrey do know how to get open? Because if so, I haven't seen it.

Funchess is a decent #2, good #3 WR to have, and can be a great complementary player beside Samuel as a slot #2 threat and Moore as a #1 option.

Not sure why Ron and company continue to try to force a college TE into a #1 NFL WR role when he's clearly just not that. And at this point with as stagnant as the offense has looked, relying so heavily on CMC and Cam, I see no reason why Moore shouldn't be lining up as the top receiving option immediately. Make him show you that he CAN'T do it instead of making him prove that he CAN with limited snaps and opportunities to get it done.

Just put him on the field, tell him to run the same routes Funchess and Smith are running, and see if he can become a reliable target for Cam. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Does RR/Norv think that rushing him out there would be bad for his confidence/growth?

Is it because they feel like they're on the hot seat to win now and they want the most veteran players out there at all times?? 

The fastest, most talented players give you the best chance to win. Not the oldest, slowest, most wise/experienced players. 

Every team around the league finding success lately is doing it with youth and speed on both sides. Not with ground and pound slow old dudes.

Ugh. And the sad part is I think Cam would shine if he had the kind of speedy weapons on the field all the time that other QBs have. There's this thing about Cam always being high with the ball when he's "off". Well maybe if he has the chance to unleash his arm and overthrow some fast cats, they would prove they can run under it and score like Ginn did. Rather than having a slow, plodding WR rumble downfield and make 1 obvious cut to get open and then box out the defender to catch a bullet as Cam is getting hit. 

 

What about a guy who can put a double move on a defender and blow past him down the sideline? Or a guy who can run a slant where the defender simply can't catch up and make a play on the ball, like every Funchess/Kelvin slant ever. Cam can get the ball out quick and watch the guy run after the catch! Omg that's a thing?? Yep...

 

[Chardee MacDennis]

Oh yeah, and this evolved offense??? Hahahaha.... Nope. Same ole same ole BS shoved down our throats. 

Speedy players being utilized properly?? How about Funchess and slow ass Smith running long routes downfield while Cam is fending off blitzers? How about no change whatsoever in the scheme or play design, and barely any change in the playcalling, or in the personnel. 

And it's so obvious Cam is tired all the time taking too long to get the play lined up because he's constantly getting hit or running for his life, when instead if you put the speedy guys on the field maybe Cam can sit back and take a breather while he watches someone else run after the catch?? And then the threat of that means defenses can't stack the box against the run, so more holes open up for CMC and the read-option. 

 

I mean this is elementary stuff, right? Why can our Head Coach not figure it out and evolve? It's costing us Cam in his prime. And it makes me incredibly sad.

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

DJ Moore got his first NFL catch late in this game.  This coming off a week of Ron saying they wanted to bring him along slowly in contrast of Quinn on Ridley....

well it is obvious how stupid that is. 

DJ Moore has unmatched ability even if a rookie compared to the rest of our WRs.  They need to throw him into the fire and give the kid legit reps.   That 50+ yard TD was largely on DJ after the catch.  

and why did Cam go at him late? Because he is tired of average dudes at WR who aren’t playmakers.  Smart ball actually would have been to a big body but I can’t blame game.    You can tell how tired he is from average play everywhere.  With Olsen gone he has CMC to throw the ball to.  No one else a real threat.  Just dudes who might catch the ball. 

Play DJ Moore Ron and I’m not talking about a couple end around fakes.  Throw the dude out there and let him play WR.  

 

Smith and Funchess are dropping too  many passes.  I would be happy with Moore as the #1, Wright as the #2, and Samuel in the slot.  Byrd would be my next WR.

[Proudiddy]

Honestly, when Samuel is back, the starting receivers should be Samuel and DJ, with Wright and Byrd being right behind them and/or working the slot.  But, Ron is our coach and that will never happen.

[LA_Panther]

I’ll take DJ’s raw talents with the rookie mistakes over choke artists that don’t catch the ball. That’s your only job besides blocking 

[GoPanthers123]

Ron "thinks" that he is safer using veteran players then a talented rook esp in a do or die game with massive playoff implications.   Moore has shown enough to start next week, I'm pretty sure he will start.

[GRWatcher]

7 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Yea the thing that impressed me even more than the yac on moore td was the way he reached and caught it with only a slight hop instead of like Funchess or some others do where they jump as high as they can, breaking their stride

Or who fall to their knees and catch it in their body so the DB doesn't even have to break a sweat to touch them down.

[pantherclaw]

Moore's development had to be dialed back because it was too much for him to be learning all the positions.  Please guys let him develop.

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

And I'm assuming by saying Moore doesn't know how to get open, you are implying that Funchess and Torrey do know how to get open? Because if so, I haven't seen it.

Funchess is a decent #2, good #3 WR to have, and can be a great complementary player beside Samuel as a slot #2 threat and Moore as a #1 option.

Not sure why Ron and company continue to try to force a college TE into a #1 NFL WR role when he's clearly just not that. And at this point with as stagnant as the offense has looked, relying so heavily on CMC and Cam, I see no reason why Moore shouldn't be lining up as the top receiving option immediately. Make him show you that he CAN'T do it instead of making him prove that he CAN with limited snaps and opportunities to get it done.

Just put him on the field, tell him to run the same routes Funchess and Smith are running, and see if he can become a reliable target for Cam. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Does RR/Norv think that rushing him out there would be bad for his confidence/growth?

Is it because they feel like they're on the hot seat to win now and they want the most veteran players out there at all times?? 

The fastest, most talented players give you the best chance to win. Not the oldest, slowest, most wise/experienced players. 

Every team around the league finding success lately is doing it with youth and speed on both sides. Not with ground and pound slow old dudes.

Ugh. And the sad part is I think Cam would shine if he had the kind of speedy weapons on the field all the time that other QBs have. There's this thing about Cam always being high with the ball when he's "off". Well maybe if he has the chance to unleash his arm and overthrow some fast cats, they would prove they can run under it and score like Ginn did. Rather than having a slow, plodding WR rumble downfield and make 1 obvious cut to get open and then box out the defender to catch a bullet as Cam is getting hit. 

 

What about a guy who can put a double move on a defender and blow past him down the sideline? Or a guy who can run a slant where the defender simply can't catch up and make a play on the ball, like every Funchess/Kelvin slant ever. Cam can get the ball out quick and watch the guy run after the catch! Omg that's a thing?? Yep...

 

Like it or not, Moore has had trouble beating the press. Until he can do that consistently, he is going to be at a disadvantage. Being thrown off at the top of your route throws off the timing for so many things. Mastering the art of beating your man at the line can likewise lead to great results, or at least keep some options open (and that's why Samuel is a tricky cover). I'm not saying that Moore can't do it, but once he learns to do it with consistency, he will be on the field more. 

Smith and Funchess aren't necessarily the best route runners, but each one can get open enough to at least extend drives with regularity. They just have to consistently catch the ball (especially on key third downs). And, they aren't necessarily slow.

I want Moore out there as much as anyone (and perhaps letting him work it out on the field will lead to more improvement), my point is that Samuel is currently heads and shoulders above Moore (and everyone else) in getting open. Those tight window throws aren't so tight when he is the recipient of the ball.