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Run defense concern

jamos14

By jamos14,
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4 hours ago, saX man said:

I'd prefer Norris, Smith or Carter Jr next week on the outside.  They're all quicker than Mayo.  The lack of speed mixed in with some poor DL play did us in.  

Butler was in a ton and we had rotations not suited against the run I.E.: Addison-Butler-Short-Horton

Andre Smith/Norris/Carter Jr. and Bryan Cox Jr. should be looked to get increased reps this week.    

 

great points

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I heard some guys on a podcast say they noticed a lot of Atlanta's run plays when Vernon Butler was in? 

I haven't had a chance to rewatch the game.  Just curious if anyone else noticed that?   I didn't notice Butler do anything obviously good or bad, but I may have missed stuff.  I wasn't often focused on him.

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1 minute ago, KB_fan said:

I heard some guys on a podcast say they noticed a lot of Atlanta's run plays when Vernon Butler was in? 

I haven't had a chance to rewatch the game.  Just curious if anyone else noticed that?   I didn't notice Butler do anything obviously good or bad, but I may have missed stuff.  I wasn't often focused on him.

we cant blame the entire poo show on vernon

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Another few queries:

Any evidence that Luke's knee wasn't 100% after last week's injury?  Was his problem speed?  Bad angles?  Overpursuit?

And maybe we took Atlanta's run game too lightly in preparing given the injury to Freeman?  Sure seemed like we weren't prepared for Ito Smith to be an impact player....

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41 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

Another few queries:

Any evidence that Luke's knee wasn't 100% after last week's injury?  Was his problem speed?  Bad angles?  Overpursuit?

And maybe we took Atlanta's run game too lightly in preparing given the injury to Freeman?  Sure seemed like we weren't prepared for Ito Smith to be an impact player....

In my "ignorant" opinion, it seemed more like Luke was overcompensating for others mistakes and trying to do to much. one or two mistakes I so for him I would classify as over pursuit.  

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They ran the stretch to Mayo's side for a reason. Mayo is a backup middle linebacker/career special teams type guy who is being put on the outside where Luke even had a rough time playing. We need more athleticism out wide from someone who can either hold defenders, set the edge, or get off blocks and fill the hole.

If anything, Davis just earned tons of leverage if he wants to play beyond this season and get a short extension.

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25 minutes ago, wud35 said:

In my "ignorant" opinion, it seemed more like Luke was overcompensating for others mistakes and trying to do to much. one or two mistakes I so for him I would classify as over pursuit.  

When offensive lineman get up to the second level consistantly it becomes harder for two linebackers to stay clean. We ran a lot of nickel to stay away from using Mayo too much and that's less than ideal for a stretch run game.

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1 hour ago, KB_fan said:

Another few queries:

Any evidence that Luke's knee wasn't 100% after last week's injury?  Was his problem speed?  Bad angles?  Overpursuit?

And maybe we took Atlanta's run game too lightly in preparing given the injury to Freeman?  Sure seemed like we weren't prepared for Ito Smith to be an impact player....

The biggest problem for Luke was that the Dline was not able to keep him clean. Alex Mack was able to get to him in the second level of the defense because someone on the Dline did not set the edge or maintain their gap assignment. Luke missed several tackles but he wasnt able to get a clean angle to the ball carrier like most games.  I have to give credit to Atlanta's offensive line and zone stretch scheme. I believe the defense will improve, but they need to have a short hook on some players if they repeat the same mistakes

 

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