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Panthers have the 27th best offensive line in the NFL


TheSpecialJuan

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Starting Lineup:

Left Tackle: Chris Clark, 51.6
Left Guard: Greg Van Roten, 60.1
Center: Ryan Kalil, 56.8
Right Guard: Tyler Larsen, 56.8
Right Tackle: Taylor Moton, 76.8

There’s not an offensive line in the league that’s more banged up than Carolina currently. With Trai Turner out, they had backups at left tackle, right guard and right tackle this past week. The good news has been that Taylor Moton hasn’t been playing like a backup through two weeks. He didn’t allow a single pressure on 52 pass blocking snaps against the Falcons after switching back to his more comfortable right side.

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24 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

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Starting Lineup:

Left Tackle: Chris Clark, 51.6
Left Guard: Greg Van Roten, 60.1
Center: Ryan Kalil, 56.8
Right Guard: Tyler Larsen, 56.8
Right Tackle: Taylor Moton, 76.8

There’s not an offensive line in the league that’s more banged up than Carolina currently. With Trai Turner out, they had backups at left tackle, right guard and right tackle this past week. The good news has been that Taylor Moton hasn’t been playing like a backup through two weeks. He didn’t allow a single pressure on 52 pass blocking snaps against the Falcons after switching back to his more comfortable right side.

Lol Moton...another decent lineman who never would have had a shot if not for injuries.

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I wouldn't pay a dime for PFF's "Premium Stats," so I have no idea of how they arrive at these good-to-the-decimal-point ratings.  I recall from years past, when all their data and rankings were transparent and free, that it was admitted they arrived at these numbers by a sole employee's totally subjective analysis of how (supposedly) every player performed on every single play.

Right there, I'm suspicious of the numbers.  The room for bias from these individual observers is obvious and blatant.

Their rating for Luke in week one, somewhere in the 50's, when he had 14 tackles, didn't pass the smell test for me, for example.

To rate our OL equally reeks.  I prefer the results:  only 2 sacks on Cam, with 47 pass attempts, is a good performance.  And the rushing results speaks loudly of success fo0r our OL:  a 6.7 yd average for each rush, best in the league for the week.  I dismiss their numbers, and their rankings, and their reason for existence.  Fie on PFF.

Sorry to sugar-coat it.

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12 minutes ago, bigdavis said:

 

To rate our OL equally reeks.  I prefer the results:  only 2 sacks on Cam, with 47 pass attempts, is a good performance.  And the rushing results speaks loudly of success fo0r our OL:  a 6.7 yd average for each rush, best in the league for the week.  I dismiss their numbers, and their rankings, and their reason for existence.  Fie on PFF.

 

one sack was a coverage sack. I don't blame it on the O-line. Honestly can't remember what happened on the other sack

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50 minutes ago, bigdavis said:

I wouldn't pay a dime for PFF's "Premium Stats," so I have no idea of how they arrive at these good-to-the-decimal-point ratings.  I recall from years past, when all their data and rankings were transparent and free, that it was admitted they arrived at these numbers by a sole employee's totally subjective analysis of how (supposedly) every player performed on every single play.

Right there, I'm suspicious of the numbers.  The room for bias from these individual observers is obvious and blatant.

Completely agree. In order to have any confidence in one of these rating systems, you have to know how individual plays are rated and why. Otherwise, there's no reason to believe the rating when it disagrees with your own impression from watching the game. This is why I also don't put much stock in ESPN's QBR.

For what it's worth, PFF's rating of our lineman relative to each other seems mostly correct. Clark was clearly the worst, and Moton was clearly the best. I would have rated Kalil and Van Roten similarly with Larsen as the second worst, but none of them stood out as particularly good or bad. Overall, I was satisfied with the line play last Sunday, but I think better defensive ends going up against Clark will cause some problems.

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