Collusion case against NFL has not been dropped

[Moo Daeng]

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not sure how you're going to win a case claiming collusion to blackball you from the league when you're on an NFL roster.

If you robbed banks for two years and then stopped robbing banks you still committed the act. 

This would logically change nothing about any previous acts of collusion.

[grateflday]

8 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

If anything, this goes to show that hiring Reid was a business decision. The Panthers realized that starting Jones would possibly result in losses and less revenue than they could possibly lose by hiring Reid. Ultimately, no one is going to care if he protests or not so long as the Panthers win. The problem with Reid and Kaep protesting before was that the team wasn't performing as well. 

I think people will care if Reid protesters.  As one who simply doesn’t want to see that... Reid will win me over by using his time OFF the field to protest.  

[Moo Daeng]

I think Tepper will help provide an off field channel for any message Reid wants to be part of. He stated this in his introductory presser and so far he has done exactly what he has stated. 

[panthers55]

10 hours ago, MechaZain said:

Doesn’t mean he wasn’t blackballed prior to now. I’m no lawyer but that would be my case for him. He’s getting a reduced deal late and after the anthem protests have died down.

This would be my take. The only thing he could claim is there was collusion helped by Trump and fan pressure on the NFL not to hire kneeling players and perhaps some emails suggesting collusion among some owners.  The problem is two fold.  First of all each franchise is their own business and they operate somewhat independently. When the Panthers hired him, it showed that at least one owner was not in on it so it weakens the collusion argument. Reid could argue that there was previous collusion that hurt his stock which is why he didn't get a better deal for more money. Again the problem is that he may have turned down a deal for more money and the market for all free agent safeties has been pretty bad not just for Reid.

[Snake]

11 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

If anything, this goes to show that hiring Reid was a business decision. The Panthers realized that starting Jones would possibly result in losses and less revenue than they could possibly lose by hiring Reid. Ultimately, no one is going to care if he protests or not so long as the Panthers win. The problem with Reid and Kaep protesting before was that the team wasn't performing as well. 

Well that and really we have almost been desensitized to it now. They don't even show the national anthem on TV anymore. 

[top dawg]

The law is multifaceted. What y'all don't see makes a whole other world.

"Too little, too late" comes to mind.

[Delhommey]

11 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

This would be my take. The only thing he could claim is there was collusion helped by Trump and fan pressure on the NFL not to hire kneeling players and perhaps some emails suggesting collusion among some owners.  The problem is two fold.  First of all each franchise is their own business and they operate somewhat independently. When the Panthers hired him, it showed that at least one owner was not in on it so it weakens the collusion argument. Reid could argue that there was previous collusion that hurt his stock which is why he didn't get a better deal for more money. Again the problem is that he may have turned down a deal for more money and the market for all free agent safeties has been pretty bad not just for Reid.

Collusion doesn't mean 32 teams were in on it. Collusion means proving at least 2 teams or 1 team and the league office were complicit.

As such Carolina signing him doesn't do much at all, especially considering the new ownership. 

[Snake]

20 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

This would be my take. The only thing he could claim is there was collusion helped by Trump and fan pressure on the NFL not to hire kneeling players and perhaps some emails suggesting collusion among some owners.  The problem is two fold.  First of all each franchise is their own business and they operate somewhat independently. When the Panthers hired him, it showed that at least one owner was not in on it so it weakens the collusion argument. Reid could argue that there was previous collusion that hurt his stock which is why he didn't get a better deal for more money. Again the problem is that he may have turned down a deal for more money and the market for all free agent safeties has been pretty bad not just for Reid.

It's a unwinnable case for both him and Kap. 

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, Delhommey said:

Collusion doesn't mean 32 teams were in on it. Collusion means proving at least 2 teams or 1 team and the league office were complicit.

As such Carolina signing him doesn't do much at all, especially considering the new ownership. 

That argument assumes those two teams or the team and league office had a need for Reid's skills and didn't hire him in a concerted effort to exclude him. It would be very easy for owners to say I didn't think he was the best player, we didn't need him or his injury history scared us away. Unless there is a smoking gun email or witnesses that testify that collusion occurred, the onus is on the players. Secondly, even if proved then there  is the issue of damages. Given he was signed on what could be argued wasn't unreasonable for the safety market and his injury history, what would the damages be from the Cowboys who didn't hire him but colluded to not hire him....

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

The most likely reason teams did not go after Reid is his injury record and has nothing to do with collusion at all and market for safeties was low. Right now it don't matter because we have him on the team.

[top dawg]

5 hours ago, rbsponsel52 said:

The most likely reason teams did not go after Reid is his injury record and has nothing to do with collusion at all and market for safeties was low.

That argument would make more sense had Reid not just had a solidly good year at his position, a better year than others who had been signed off lesser, more suspect years.

For all the people who have referenced his injury history, Reid has one concussion more than Luke. Let that sink in. Sure, play is relative and Luke is the best in the game (in my opinion), but no way Luke stays on the FA market and so long after a good year, regardless of a supposedly "weak" market even if he had one more concussion a year or two prior to that season.

We took a risk, and now we have two quality players with five known concussions between them, so let us pray and knock on wood that both stay concussion-free. The good thing with the Reid contract is that it mitigates our risk (albeit for just a year) if he goes down again, so it's a risk very much worth taking. 

[Mage]

5 hours ago, rbsponsel52 said:

The most likely reason teams did not go after Reid is his injury record and has nothing to do with collusion at all and market for safeties was low. Right now it don't matter because we have him on the team.

Yea because talented players go unsigned all the time because they got injured in past lol

[Davidson Deac II]

 

6 hours ago, rbsponsel52 said:

The most likely reason teams did not go after Reid is his injury record and has nothing to do with collusion at all and market for safeties was low. Right now it don't matter because we have him on the team.

That might be a factor, but imo, the primary factor was they were afraid of the non football attention signing him would bring. They were more afraid of losing ticket and jersey sales.   Doesn't mean it was or was not collusion.  But collusion will be incredibly difficult to prove without some hard evidence or a few witnesses.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

2 hours ago, Mage said:

Yea because talented players go unsigned all the time because they got injured in past lol

I never said all the time if you had actually read the comment and his 3 concussions can make an impact in signing him and teams will see that and think is it worth the risk then not offer a contract. Panthers were willing to take this risk and sign him when no other team even gave him a chance and to help the team get in the win column and hopefully it will pay off.