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[Professor Chaos]

Tepper isn't dumb. He seems to have his finger on the pulse of things and I really wouldn't be surprised if he reads this forum. I just hope that he knows that pretty much every season under Rivera the Panthers have been bipolar. They can go from looking like super bowl contenders to looking like bottom feeders within a week, and that's completely on Rivera (although sometimes Gettleman's personnel decisions fuged him over)

 

Cam and Luke aren't getting any younger. They're the two greatest players in this franchises history and I think we owe it to them to give them another shot with a different coach. Ron isn't a bad coach, but he isn't good enough to win a super bowl either. The Broncos abused his lack of adjustments in the super bowl, and now the entire league is abusing it weekly. In the preseason people jumped down my throat because I said it's ridiculous that people are still gashing us in the exact same way, well now we're half way through the season and EVERY team has utilized that strategy, and it's been pretty goddamn successful. 

[RumHam]

21 minutes ago, Tbe said:

I think Hurney is gone. It’s just a matter of time. Tepper will wait until a better option becomes available and that shouldn’t be hard.

Ron (because of Norv) will get at least one more season.

This is spot on and Hurney, as I predicted, flopped during the offseason and it's finally rearing its face. People saying he nailed the draft with Moore is nothing different than it ever has been. He always hit with first round picks. The veteran acquisitions were literally all crapshoots. ALL OF THEM. Jury is still out on Jackson IMO. Would rather go after Jalen in the offseason. If you want JR truly gone, you let him go asap. If he was good, someone else would have grabbed Hurney when he was available. Maybe he was too busy stalking his ex to answer those phone calls.

[Raskle]

To me, Tepper doesn't seem the kind of man to dick around with it. If he decides to go ahead and put his stamp on the franchise, he's probably going to go full bore and scrap the entire staff and front office. Hurney, Rivera, Washington, et al would be gone, with (a very slightly) maybe Norv sticking around, depending on if the new GM and coach like him enough to do so.

 

I just don't see him accepting it if we don't make the playoffs, which is highly probable based on our squeak wins and terrible losses this year. The overall product on the field is 6-4, but we very well could have been 4-6 right now too.  If we don't hit at least a back to back winning season, I don't see how Ron, Marty, and the rest could expect to survive after this year. New ownership doesn't really strike me as accepting the time-tested "but, the injury bug" excuse, as well as the prior regime did.

[manu4t]

Assuming they are both tethered together from an employment standpoint, two weeks ago I would have thought them safe for at least next year. After the last two games I think it is at best 50/50 they both stay. One or two more losses in a row and I would push the % up to 70% they are gone. If we miss the playoffs I think it is a done deal they are gone.  If they right the ship and we make the playoffs, I still think they are gone after their contracts are up because Tepper likely has his own people in mind to fill those roles (and he finally cuts the last vestiges of the old regime from the new one).  Ironically between the two of them I would say Hurney is the safer one, he has done a fairly good job overall, or at least far better than I would have thought he would (and I am not a fan of his at all).  Rivera is the one on the hot seat right now (and he doesnt seem to realize that), he has continued to demonstrate he cannot motivate and prepare a team consistently, not to mention he continues to make mistakes that a coach with his experience should no longer make.  I can't see Tepper putting up with a few more weeks of self-inflicted gun wounds on the field to close out this season.

[t96]

There will be a point where if we don't have tremendous success, Tepper will bring in his own guy to be GM. And that guy will certainly want his own HC.

[Sasquatch]

1 hour ago, Professor Chaos said:

If it wasn't for the defense, it'd be going well. Ron promoting from within again may end up costing him his job though.

See Pittsburgh

[luke nukem]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney looked like a good GM his first few seasons last time too.

I can deal with "interim Marty" but I've seen just how bad "long term Marty" can be.

With our team set up to have a major personnel overhaul next offseason, I don't want any part of that.

I agree, I just think it would be nice to cut bait after the season. Due to no fault of his own we just need a new direction. Would also be nice to have a GM leave this team on somewhat positive terms(home run 1st and 2nd round picks). Im glad hurney found a little redemption, but It seems like we might be in "getting over the hump mode" with tepper in charge(I hope)

[Shaqil915]

Think Rivera is already gone in Teppers mind. It doesn’t even take a panther fan at this point to wonder why Curtis Samuel isn’t getting more playing time. 

The fact that RR prefers to stick to his ways rather then make the choices that give his football team the best chance to win should be more then enough proof that he ain’t it.

[Raleigh PF]

My inclination is both Rivera and Hurney *could* be gone, once the season is over. Much of that will depend on the next six games, obviously. The issue, I believe is, teams have figured out what the defense is going to do and have adjusted after years of watching the Panthers do the same thing again and again. Whether it's Washington's fault or not, the onus of the problem is the overall concept and that lies at Rivera's feet. It's time for a new direction.

But that brings up another larger question...

Who is their replacement? I just don't see any young standout college coaches or NFL assistants who are really putting their names out there, at the moment. 

[MHS831]

RR's game management is embarrassing.  His extreme nepotism is shallow. 
Hurney?  I don't get the hate (and nobody hated him more than I did)--good draft (2 starters, most made roster.  Thomas has flashed, as has Gaulden. 

Free agency:  Signed Peppers, Reid, Poe, Searcy, Cockrell for the D; Signed Wright, T. Smith, Clark, Anderson---all at good prices. 

Not sure I see the beef with Hurney-yet.

[arbnranger]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's been lots of speculation that 2018 is an "audition" season for Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney, essentially their chance to prove to new owner David Tepper that they can be trusted to run the franchise from here on out.

Objectively speaking, we don't know if that's actually true.

But if that is the case, then how would you say the "auditions" are going so far?

Very interesting question. 

I think we can safely say it’s been mixed reviews thus far. In other words, TBD 

As @gmonjimbo pointed out, I would imagine the performance in the last 6 games will be weighed heavily in determining if Tepper views this season as a succsss or not. 

I think Rivera is an average X & O’s guy but is strong on leadership and team cohesion. Both equally important. This is the first time I can recall that it feels a bit slippery on the latter. 

It’s very difficult to find someone that is equally strong with both. Not an easy proposition for an owner to discard a coach that has been successful. 

6 games will tell us a lot. 

[arbnranger]

2 hours ago, Raskle said:

The overall product on the field is 6-4, but we very well could have been 4-6 right now too.  

True 

But we very well could be 8-2 as well.

Thats what’s so frustrating with this season so far. 

[MountaineerChemist10]

If we make the playoffs & but lose wild card: Ron & Hurney will be given one more year, but this time must win NFC South/Wild Card round

If we don't make the playoffs but result with a 7-9 or 8-8 record, Hurney & Washington will be gone, Ron stays for one last "prove it" season.

If we start losing big time (i.e 6-10 or worst by end of season), Hurney, Washington & Ron are all gone. Norv stays simply because of Cam's improvement in performance.

[Mr. Scot]

35 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

RR's game management is embarrassing.  His extreme nepotism is shallow. 
Hurney?  I don't get the hate (and nobody hated him more than I did)--good draft (2 starters, most made roster.  Thomas has flashed, as has Gaulden. 

Free agency:  Signed Peppers, Reid, Poe, Searcy, Cockrell for the D; Signed Wright, T. Smith, Clark, Anderson---all at good prices. 

Not sure I see the beef with Hurney-yet.

As mentioned before, the situation next offseason is going to allow someone to put a serious stamp on this team for the next several years.

Do you really trust Hurney to be the one to do that?

History tells us that Marty is capable of a half decent offseason every once in a while, but this is not a guy you want running things long term.