How good is the Panthers' medical staff?

[Shocker]

Can Cam take the next year off with his contract coming up.  Man o man...this franchise cannot hang on to Cam magic with him getting older.  Just can’t do it.  He was an amazing player but you cannot hang on with a running QB who is inaccurate.  

I consider Cam the best player in Panther history.

[Ivan The Awesome]

4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Going from memory, why are our players NOT healing?  Look at what has happened to core players over the past 2-3 years:

• OT Williams comes back before we thought he would/should, re injures knee (during a contract year too).  We all figured the knee was not as bad as initially reported.  He did not complete his first game back.  To IR, misses season--career ending? 

• TE Olsen hurts foot in 2017 and plays seven games--has surgery.  Injures same foot in 2018, plays nine games.  To IR.  Thank God Marty extended his deal. 

• QB Cam Newton has shoulder surgery in March, 2017---about 3 months after the season ends. Waiting 3 months to have surgery was curious.   Misses camp, rehabbing.  This year, the same injury resurfaces. 
• C Ryan Kalil had recurring injuries in 2016 and 2017.  Neck.  Played a total of 16 games in 2 seasons. 

Recurring injuries to core players are too common here.  As we enter the off-season, the only player listed above without a big question mark is Ryan Kalil, who is retiring.  I know NFL players play hurt, but there seems to be some malpractice going on here.  Please, do not lecture me about football injuries--these are not normal situations.

Is Ron too involved in the players' recovery timetables, rehab?   Are the team doctors/trainers/strength coach on the same page?

I wonder....

 

 

Posted this and I got crucified. The question still remains. Way too many injuries and people feel like they are rushed back. But hey, what do I know? 

[PantherCam213]

8 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

 

 

Posted this and I got crucified. The question still remains. Way too many injuries and people feel like they are rushed back. But hey, what do I know? 

Don't sweat it.  You were just ahead of your time.

[PantherCam213]

11 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Can Cam take the next year off with his contract coming up.  Man o man...this franchise cannot hang on to Cam magic with him getting older.  Just can’t do it.  He was an amazing player but you cannot hang on with a running QB who is inaccurate.  

I consider Cam the best player in Panther history.

Without Cam, what do we have?  Cam has carried the Panthers on his shoulders to his detriment.

 

[Shocker]

4 minutes ago, PantherCam213 said:

Without Cam, what do we have?  Cam has carried the Panthers on his shoulders to his detriment.

 

Dunno...it will be very bad...gotta find one of 32 people in the world that can do this QB thing.

[KSpan]

A thread I posted a couple of months ago noted that a report crunching injury data from 2012-2016 showed, via their analysis, that BoA is the most dangerous natural-grass surface in an NFL Stadium. The source paper is an interesting read about lots of family tors, field type being one of them.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/untangling-nfl-injury-web

"Stadium-level effects from things like turf and climate are a bit smaller but still substantial: on median, a player playing in a higher-risk stadium faces a 13 percent increase in his odds of getting hurt. If you're an NFL owner, is a 13 percent increase in injuries enough to make you think carefully about your stadium design and turf?"

And a graphic on the stadiums/surfaces.

[WarHeel]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

That is true--I played in college and strength and condition is part of the rehab that is medical--but S&C is also something individualized for all players...But the medical staff (specialists communicating with trainers, etc)  oversees the injury from initial diagnosis through the surgery to the S&C.  If they misdiagnose the success of the surgery, or fail to see this or that, the S&C can delay the process.  They work together, monitor progress or the lack of it, etc.  It is all connected, but I would refute any position that suggests it is more important that medical oversight.

That’s great you played in college and have some experience in working out.

 

I as a medical professional who evaluates and treats athletes after injury, can reassure you that I haven’t had a single injured athlete walk in the door that doesn’t have some degree of impairment indirectly related to said injury. 

 

Coaches and specialist staff are there to prevent injury while people like me are there to come in and correct impairments and poor mechanics that result in these injuries. Maybe there’s more to be said about expectations of these athletes such as with timelines in regards to recovery rates are the issue.

 

For instance, people on here think a quick google search will tell them everything they need to know about a shoulder injury and timelines for recovery  but have no idea that Luck and Newton’s injury were completely different injuries altogether.

[Cary Kollins]

Panthers doctors be like 

 

[PantherCam213]

19 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

I as a medical professional who evaluates and treats athletes after injury, can reassure you that I haven’t had a single injured athlete walk in the door that doesn’t have some degree of impairment indirectly related to said injury. 

Just trying to understand your point, isn't that why they walk in the door? to have you treat the injury they came to you for?

[DamnItJake!]

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Going from memory, why are our players NOT healing?  Look at what has happened to core players over the past 2-3 years:

• OT Williams comes back before we thought he would/should, re injures knee (during a contract year too).  We all figured the knee was not as bad as initially reported.  He did not complete his first game back.  To IR, misses season--career ending? 

• TE Olsen hurts foot in 2017 and plays seven games--has surgery.  Injures same foot in 2018, plays nine games.  To IR.  Thank God Marty extended his deal. 

• QB Cam Newton has shoulder surgery in March, 2017---about 3 months after the season ends. Waiting 3 months to have surgery was curious.   Misses camp, rehabbing.  This year, the same injury resurfaces. 
• C Ryan Kalil had recurring injuries in 2016 and 2017.  Neck.  Played a total of 16 games in 2 seasons. 

Recurring injuries to core players are too common here.  As we enter the off-season, the only player listed above without a big question mark is Ryan Kalil, who is retiring.  I know NFL players play hurt, but there seems to be some malpractice going on here.  Please, do not lecture me about football injuries--these are not normal situations.

Is Ron too involved in the players' recovery timetables, rehab?   Are the team doctors/trainers/strength coach on the same page?

I wonder....

This is new scape goat!! Medical staff.. Rivera is that u posting?? Hoping Tepper will be like yes the medical staff what was I thinking! Hmmm!!

[WarHeel]

27 minutes ago, PantherCam213 said:

Just trying to understand your point, isn't that why they walk in the door? to have you treat the injury they came to you for?

Point being is that impairments can often slip through the cracks long before that patient arrives in the clinic. I’m just stating that sometimes people expect more from their medical staff without seeing the big picture. 

[Carl Spackler]

ok whose alt is George Hanson

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

Vermillion is a quack and should be fired along with Rivera and crew.

[PantherCam213]

59 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Point being is that impairments can often slip through the cracks long before that patient arrives in the clinic. I’m just stating that sometimes people expect more from their medical staff without seeing the big picture. 

You are probably right, but shouldn't a professional athlete expect the best from their club's medical staff?  I would.