I have a question for all of you *ahem* fans that are still pissed today that we won

[SmartyHurney]

5 hours ago, carolinanimal said:

Didn't we drop from 9th to 16th? How is it only four spots?

It's easier to just lie, most people believe lies. There's no scenario that the Panthers would have picked 12th.

[SmartyHurney]

Sean "Bounty Gate, Pill Poppin'" Payton, who would think he would stoop to such levels? 4th and 2, draws up a prayer with 3 wide running 20+ yard routes.

[Gucceland]

2 hours ago, Reebis21 said:

Some of y’all trying to crap on the fans who are looking at the bigger picture is hilarious to me.

Fans hopes don’t affect the game whatsoever. Of course if we were the damn players, we wouldn’t throw the game. But we aren’t. We are the fans wanting this team to be in the best possible situation to improve. Last time I checked, drafting 8th was better than drafting 16th. Do I think Ron should have thrown the game? No...I could only imagine Ryan Kalil’s face when asked to purposefully lose the last game of his career...but that shouldn’t stop us fans from actually hoping we lost. Let me put some things into perspective...let’s go back to the last time we had the 8th pick, shall we...

8th - CMC

10th- Mahomes

11th- Lattimore

12th- Watson

14th- Barnett

15th- Hooker

After that, the only player arguably better taken in the 1st was TJ Watt...and yes, this is an example of just one draft...but good lord do u not see the point?? We significantly decrease the chances of landing an elite player with that win...and this goes for every round in the draft

So if u wanna call us fake fans for hoping we lost yesterday for the chance at a brighter future, u go right ahead.

 

It really comes down to who is picking and what position we are targeting....the draft you are showing was loaded with QBs...so it's not really comparable to this years...there will be less chance of getting an elite player at 16 this year, because few teams will focus on QBs, meaning the quality players will go faster.  Sad to say, but it would have been much better to have the 16th pick in the draft 2017 draft than 2019...I fear there will be less to pick from, so draft position will matter more.  UGH.  I talked myself out of being upset about this today...but now I'm pissed again.

[Green-Ghost]

9 hours ago, Smithers said:

The people who are bitching that we won are the same people that bitch when they get a raise because it means they have to pay more taxes and qualify for less in assistance.  

That is the best analogy that I have heard!  

[Davidson Deac II]

6 hours ago, Reebis21 said:

Some of y’all trying to crap on the fans who are looking at the bigger picture is hilarious to me.

Fans hopes don’t affect the game whatsoever. Of course if we were the damn players, we wouldn’t throw the game. But we aren’t. We are the fans wanting this team to be in the best possible situation to improve. Last time I checked, drafting 8th was better than drafting 16th. Do I think Ron should have thrown the game? No...I could only imagine Ryan Kalil’s face when asked to purposefully lose the last game of his career...but that shouldn’t stop us fans from actually hoping we lost. Let me put some things into perspective...let’s go back to the last time we had the 8th pick, shall we...

8th - CMC

10th- Mahomes

11th- Lattimore

12th- Watson

14th- Barnett

15th- Hooker

After that, the only player arguably better taken in the 1st was TJ Watt...and yes, this is an example of just one draft...but good lord do u not see the point?? We significantly decrease the chances of landing an elite player with that win...and this goes for every round in the draft

So if u wanna call us fake fans for hoping we lost yesterday for the chance at a brighter future, u go right ahead.

 

Fwiw, the guy picked at 16th that year had a very good 2018 season. Arguably as good as any of those guys you mentioned, considering the different positions.

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/marlon-humphrey-named-ravens-2018-mvp-but-doesn-t-want-to-accept-media-s-award

 

[Reebis21]

10 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Fwiw, the guy picked at 16th that year had a very good 2018 season. Arguably as good as any of those guys you mentioned, considering the different positions.

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/marlon-humphrey-named-ravens-2018-mvp-but-doesn-t-want-to-accept-media-s-award

 

My point is we’d have a choice between elite players...would u argue 16th is better than 8th? Or that choosing from 8 guys would be worse than possibly choosing from 1 or 2 leftovers?

[Steves89]

23 hours ago, cookinwithgas said:

The job of a sports team is to win the game. Throwing games for other reasons is unsportsmanlike, unethical, and no fun whatsoever. So many people overthink this crap these days it's getting pretty annoying.

Went to a friends house yesterday to watch the game and had a great time hanging out with my tailgate buddies one more time. Yeah kicking the Saints butt was a little anti climactic but made the afternoon that much more fun and relaxing.

Post of the year. Wish more folks had this perspective. 

[Davidson Deac II]

5 hours ago, Reebis21 said:

My point is we’d have a choice between elite players...would u argue 16th is better than 8th? Or that choosing from 8 guys would be worse than possibly choosing from 1 or 2 leftovers?

8 is better than 16th, but only slightly.  If you look just at the last three years of the draft, 8th hasn't been significantly better than 16th.  Certainly not better enough to obsess over winning or losing a single game the way some are.  The ability to accurately assess which players will be best for your team is far more important than whether you are drafting 8 vs 16th.  All one has to do is look at Cleveland.  They have averaged a top 10 draft pick every year since 1999, and have zilch to show for it except for a long list of losing seasons.  

Or look at our own draft from this past season.  There are maybe 5 or 6 players drafted ahead of our pick that I would prefer over DJ Moore.  If we had lost a few more last year and finished higher in the draft order, we might have picked someone else, not as good as Moore.

[GoPanthers123]

We did something important in that game, we showed just how weak Saints are once Brees is gone.   I will take a W over New Orleans on principle and the draft order is not a guarantee of quality more of higher chances but not a guarantee.

[Car123]

23 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

We should have lost the game intentionally.  Winning that game was complete idiocy.

And jeopardize a young qb's NFL career?

[amcoolio]

I have a question for you

Josh Allen falls to 9. Hurney trades the 2020 1st round pick to move up and get him (would be a great trade as Allen is sorely needed.)

Now is a meaningless 2018 victory over the Saints in which both teams played backups equal to a 2020 1st round draft pick?

Because you are saying it is.

[Sub Zero]

On 12/31/2018 at 1:56 PM, Manther said:

Yeah we won because we were making sure the right people got reps.  oops

whatever

We won because Teddy Bridgewater sucked and our backups might be better than theirs.. But I guess next time you can petition Ron bringing Independence Jr Varsity pep squad next time..lol 

Jesus some of you ppl can make anything controversial in your minds..lmao

[Sam Mills Fan]

On 12/31/2018 at 12:07 PM, Reebis21 said:

Some of y’all trying to crap on the fans who are looking at the bigger picture is hilarious to me.

Fans hopes don’t affect the game whatsoever. Of course if we were the damn players, we wouldn’t throw the game. But we aren’t. We are the fans wanting this team to be in the best possible situation to improve. Last time I checked, drafting 8th was better than drafting 16th. Do I think Ron should have thrown the game? No...I could only imagine Ryan Kalil’s face when asked to purposefully lose the last game of his career...but that shouldn’t stop us fans from actually hoping we lost. Let me put some things into perspective...let’s go back to the last time we had the 8th pick, shall we...

8th - CMC

10th- Mahomes

11th- Lattimore

12th- Watson

14th- Barnett

15th- Hooker

After that, the only player arguably better taken in the 1st was TJ Watt...and yes, this is an example of just one draft...but good lord do u not see the point?? We significantly decrease the chances of landing an elite player with that win...and this goes for every round in the draft

So if u wanna call us fake fans for hoping we lost yesterday for the chance at a brighter future, u go right ahead.

 

That's cherry picking data. You arbitrarily picked 2017 as if that's how it usually goes: last season all Pro Bowlers came in the Top 5 and only 1 came after that in the first round (at 17 which is worse than 16 last time I checked). In 2016, all 5 guys drafted Top 5 have made Pro Bowls while only 1 later in the first round did (once again at 17).

I've used the following example already: in 2007 we were 6-9 going into our final game against Tampa Bay. We won it and lost draft position in the process. People were on here bitching and moaning about how dumb John Fox was for not throwing that game. We proceeded to draft Jonathan Stewart with that pick and go 12-4 in 2008.

It'll be okay.

[Sam Mills Fan]

On 12/31/2018 at 2:53 PM, Gucceland said:

It really comes down to who is picking and what position we are targeting....the draft you are showing was loaded with QBs...so it's not really comparable to this years...there will be less chance of getting an elite player at 16 this year, because few teams will focus on QBs, meaning the quality players will go faster.  Sad to say, but it would have been much better to have the 16th pick in the draft 2017 draft than 2019...I fear there will be less to pick from, so draft position will matter more.  UGH.  I talked myself out of being upset about this today...but now I'm pissed again.

If you want a defensive lineman like I do, you can relax because that's the position most loaded in this draft. There will still be beasts available even at 16. If you want an offensive lineman though, you're probably out of luck because there are only a couple of really great ones, but they're probably going before 9 so they were never in play to begin with.