Is Kuechly the Panthers GOAT?

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, t96 said:

It's about impact on the team. Mills was our veteran leader from the start and only player to start all our games the first 3 seasons, a huge reason for getting to the NFC Championship game so soon, and then obviously his impact as a coach and in 2003...

Peppers had 12 sacks as a rookie on our way to a Super Bowl appearance. He led us again with 10.5 sacks when we returned to the NFC CG in '05.

[GeorgeHanson]

14 minutes ago, t96 said:

It's about impact on the team. Mills was our veteran leader from the start and only player to start all our games the first 3 seasons, a huge reason for getting to the NFC Championship game so soon, and then obviously his impact as a coach and in 2003...

Agreed, and well said.

Mills > Pepp...hands down.  And if that weren't enough, Pepp quit on us, screw him.

[Lumps]

4 hours ago, Floppin said:

People still ranking Jake higher than Cam. Lofugingl

By people you mean one poster.

go figure

[AU-panther]

Relative to his position, yes.

Who else was best at their position for multiple years?

 

[t96]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Peppers had 12 sacks as a rookie on our way to a Super Bowl appearance. He led us again with 10.5 sacks when we returned to the NFC CG in '05.

I love Pep and he's a great all time Panther, just I don't think he's on those guy's level. He'd be number 1 hands down if he stayed here his whole career but leaving us in his prime factors in for me. Agree to disagree

[Floppin]

20 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

People forget just how great Jake was for us until his arm was done

I most certainly don't. Jake was never a great QB. Exciting and full of exuberance but Smith and Moose made Jake. Jake was very average and I was a huge Jake fan.

[Floppin]

19 hours ago, Lumps said:

By people you mean one poster.

go figure

I'm not sure of your point. I certainly did not say or imply that everyone did.

[Borat]

Rival opinion: Kuechly is already one of the handful of best MLBs ever to play, even if he retires tomorrow. Peppers (though it's a little hard to say he's a Panther GOAT as he's played a fair bit elsewhere) is a little further down the relative pass-rushing pecking order, just as Smith is for wideouts; however, they both play positions that historically attract more singular talents. So it's a tough call, and really depends on how you frame it. 

[Sam Mills Fan]

On 1/5/2019 at 4:32 PM, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Most pro bowls in franchise history and most all pros in franchise history. Is he better than peppers cam and smitty?

Currently no, but by the time he retires, he absolutely will be. He's going to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

[Sam Mills Fan]

To anyone that says Jake Delhomme is better than Cam, you do know that Jake said himself that Cam was bet....you know what? No. I'm not even humoring this as a point of discussion. There is absurd and then there is ABSURD.

[AceBoogie]

On 1/5/2019 at 4:44 PM, t96 said:

He's in the conversation. Another couple years or more of this level of play and it'll be undisputed. Hell, he's not far from being the best MLB in league history...

 

He sucked for half the year this year and lived on name. He’s been great in the past but not this year until we were already out of it. 

[Wolfpack352]

Luke is one of the greatest, not only does he ball out and plays with emotion but he brings a level of football smarts to the game, reason he is a leader.  

[t96]

2 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

He sucked for half the year this year and lived on name. He’s been great in the past but not this year until we were already out of it. 

Ha

[thefuzz]

Luke is likely the best player the Panthers have ever had on their team.

And by best, I mean multiple years of him being the best player at his position.

Cam has 1, of those years.  Smitty had a couple.  Pep had a couple.  Luke probably has 5 or so already.  GO has 1 of those.

 

Most valuable?  Nah.  Best player?  Yes.