Is Gary still out of reach?

[micnificent28]

Was a definite possibility at 7 but the hype train is about to leave the station on the man most of the huddle disregarded...

[ncfan]

At 16 yes

 

 

If we were at 9 possible

[LinvilleGorge]

Who knows? Everyone talks about "big movers" at the Combine, but at least half of that "movement" is due to the fact that it's the best glimpse that the media will get at trying to get a true idea of what actual NFL talent evaluators think of prospects.

[panthers55]

Problem is he only played 9 games last Fall.. Even in 2017 he has only 5.5 sacks. Plus he just created his own sports agency. I wonder if he is already looking more to after the NFL before he even gets there. I wonder where his focus will be?

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Problem is he only played 9 games last Fall.. Even in 2017 he has only 5.5 sacks. Plus he just created his own sports agency. I wonder if he is already looking more to after the NFL before he even gets there. I wonder where his focus will be?

Only played 9 games last fall.

How many games did Bosa play last fall?  Is his stock going to take a hit?  Gary only played 9 games due to injury.  Bosa was going to be out until the last few games with a injury, yet he ended up later deciding to just shut it down.  

 

Even in 2017 he only had 5.5 sacks

He's been playing a 3-4 DE in college.  While many think he is a better fit as a 4-3 DE.  He has been taking on double and even Triple Teams

So its understandable he didnt have Huge Sack totals.

 

I wonder if he is already looking more to after the NFL before he even gets there.

Every player is.  Every player has things setup.  

 

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Only played 9 games last fall.

How many games did Bosa play last fall?  Is his stock going to take a hit?  Gary only played 9 games due to injury.  Bosa was going to be out until the last few games with a injury, yet he ended up later deciding to just shut it down.  

 

Even in 2017 he only had 5.5 sacks

He's been playing a 3-4 DE in college.  While many think he is a better fit as a 4-3 DE.  He has been taking on double and even Triple Teams

So its understandable he didnt have Huge Sack totals.

 

I wonder if he is already looking more to after the NFL before he even gets there.

Every player is.  Every player has things setup.  

 

Maybe Bosa will be overrated also.  Hard to say what a player will do but Gary's injuries should be a concern. He is only a junior so there isn't that much tape to suggest he will be great either.   Plus being a 3-4 DE in college isn't the big deal it in in the NFL. You don't get double teamed by great players every game like in the NFL. So honestly 5.5 sacks is not great. As for thinking about after the NFL, most folks don't start restaurants or businesses for example until after they actually play and establish themselves. The question isn't about being a go-getter or being smart simply where is his focus going to be.

[t96]

One thing I’ve learned is there is no sure thing until draft day.

[ncfan]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Maybe Bosa will be overrated also.  Hard to say what a player will do but Gary's injuries should be a concern. He is only a junior so there isn't that much tape to suggest he will be great either.   Plus being a 3-4 DE in college isn't the big deal it in in the NFL. You don't get double teamed by great players every game like in the NFL. So honestly 5.5 sacks is not great. As for thinking about after the NFL, most folks don't start restaurants or businesses for example until after they actually play and establish themselves. The question isn't about being a go-getter or being smart simply where is his focus going to be.

Again

Both Bosa and Gary had injuries last year.

One, Bosa's was more severe and required him to miss about 80% of the season.  No one even mentions it and he is projected #1 by most

Gary, had a injury that only required him to miss 4 game.  Yet that will hurt his stock unlike Bosa's?

 

Also the 3-4 DE thing.  It goes more into what is required by the player.  Gary is a Freak.  And thought as a 4-3 DE.  A guy who sets the edge yet can still make a move inside.  What he is having to do at 3-4 DE is directly take on OGs and rush inside.  The OLBs are setting the edge like 4-3 DEs.  So he is a bad fit. 

You think Pep could play the same spot as KCs Chris Jones, Jets Leonard Williams, Pitts Steven Tuitt in his prime?  No!

 

[Chief Keek]

2 minutes ago, t96 said:

One thing I’ve learned is there is no sure thing until draft day.

Exactly, he could easily be there at 16 or go in the top 10. It all depends on the team and what the GM thinks of him.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

No telling. I read all the mocks. He's definitely one of the highest non consensus top end players. Been seeing him mocked from 2 to 32 and everywhere in between. Generational athlete without production. Seems half believe the former and half the latter. Might end up right in the middle.

[Paintballr]

42 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Problem is he only played 9 games last Fall.. Even in 2017 he has only 5.5 sacks. Plus he just created his own sports agency. I wonder if he is already looking more to after the NFL before he even gets there. I wonder where his focus will be?

Not saying you’re wrong, but I won’t hold that against someone bettering them selves for a career or job long term especially one that has the average length of 4 years 

[Lumps]

59 minutes ago, ncfan said:

At 16 yes

 

 

If we were at 9 possible

lies huddle says draft position doesn't matter

[AU-panther]

Lack of production always scares me.  It’s not like the competition is going to get easier but the skill set is tempting reliably if he fell to 16.

If he falls it will depend on several factors. Namely how Sweat and Ferrell do, the could be competing for some of the same teams.  Also the number of QBs that go early

also apparently he has started his own sport agency.

.http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25823290/rashan-gary-eyes-legacy-own-sports-agency

 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Lack of production always scares me.  It’s not like the competition is going to get easier but the skill set is tempting reliably if he fell to 16.

If he falls it will depend on several factors. Namely how Sweat and Ferrell do, the could be competing for some of the same teams.  Also the number of QBs that go early

also apparently he has started his own sport agency.

.http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25823290/rashan-gary-eyes-legacy-own-sports-agency

 

Generally speaking, I agree. But, then again, JJ Watt only had 11.5 sacks in his entire college career (Gary has 9.5) and never had more than 7 in a single season. There wasn't much there in terms of statistical production to suggest that he was going to become the sack monster that he ultimately became.