Some coaches take responsibility, others just riverboat

[Moo Daeng]

The "they didnt beat us, we only beat ourselves" cop out

The all star roster got beat because McVay is nothing special is the other way to look at it

Constantly looking for something to whine about when there's nothing there

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

So do you believe that when an organization hires a new head coach, that he should get fired early in his first season if he’s not successful? Say we fire Rivera and hire a new coach and he starts off 1-4 or something...then are you gonna say “that’s it, pull the plug”...then our new interim head coach goes 1-4 the next 5 games and then we fire him...and wind up going through 3 coaches in a single season. Why is it hard to accept that there’s a learning curve for new d-coordinators too, just like with head coaches? We started 6-2, there wasn’t a lot of logic behind firing or demoting a first-year defensive coordinator unless you’re one of those impulsive couch coaches. There was no reason to think he couldn’t improve upon his playcalling and coaching after half a season under his belt.

I do think Rivera waited too long in at least taking over playcalling duties, but it wasn’t something ridiculously egregious and a no-brainer like everyone is making it out to be. Fans are impulsive as hell and want immediate gratification...not good qualities for a head coach or a GM.

I think a coach and/or GM should get at least two full seasons. We've had Ron plenty long enough to know who he is. Now he's getting another year by basically swearing that he won't be that anymore. Yeah, we'll see about that.

[Moo Daeng]

This after Rivera and Washington put the losing streak blame on themselves.

 

[MasterAwesome]

32 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When words are symptomatic of the bigger issue, they're relevant. 

So I’m still confused as to why you brought McVay into this to compare him to Rivera...you’re praising his words vs. Rivera’s actions.

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think a coach and/or GM should get at least two full seasons. We've had Ron plenty long enough to know who he is. Now he's getting another year by basically swearing that he won't be that anymore. Yeah, we'll see about that.

That seems awfully generous compared to the tiny amount of rope you’re giving to the  coordinators. Coaches get at least 2 full seasons, but you’re comfortable getting rid of a defensive coordinator after half a season? Not just comfortable with it, but treating it as if it’s a no-brainer decision that justifies a heavy dose of criticism for the head coach.

[GoPanthers123]

We don’t know what Ron says in the locker room just what he says to the media.  Maybe he admits to mismanaging the team as well, and learns from experience.

[Eazy-E]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes, he did but at least he owned up to it. Rivera has numerous times and i dont think he ever has. He and his staff always have the perfect game plan and performed flawlessly in-game. Those damn players just missed opportunities and failed to make plays making them look bad.

It's one of the various reason I've wanted him gone since 2016. I'd take McVay any day over Rivera but McVay still can't even sniff Belichick's jock strap. Bill is just on another level. Maybe McVay can put it together and get over the hump because right now he's like a younger, slimmer Andy Reid.

[Everfrost]

I know I have heard Ron take the blame plenty of times. I don't get what you are selling. 

Bill blew two timeouts in the 1st quarter if that was Ron omg omg omg in here.

Mcvay looked like a deer in headlights tonight.

Ron is our coach next year get used to it.

missed opportunities

7 of the 9 losses where by 7 or fewer points with a hurt starting QB , A patchwork oline, and zero pass rush. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

So I’m still confused as to why you brought McVay into this to compare him to Rivera...you’re praising his words vs. Rivera’s actions.

That seems awfully generous compared to the tiny amount of rope you’re giving to the  coordinators. Coaches get at least 2 full seasons, but you’re comfortable getting rid of a defensive coordinator after half a season? Not just comfortable with it, but treating it as if it’s a no-brainer decision that justifies a heavy dose of criticism for the head coach.

Time will tell on McVay.

Look at the performance of Rivera's past defensive coordinators. Look at the performance of the Panthers' D this year after Rivera took over play calling. Yes, it was a no-brainer. When an all-time great like Luke looks lost out there, there's a huge problem.

[Sub Zero]

This is BS.. Ron has taken blame plenty of times.. He took the blame for his conservative coaching his 1st 2 seasons alot.. That's the reason he became Riverboat.. 

Example.. press conferences

1st and 2nd ATL 2012 

Buffalo game 2013..

There are way more stuff to knock Ron about taking accountability isn't 1 of them. 

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

4 hours ago, top dawg said:

Every play, series, quarter, half, game and season are different and must be evaluated on their own merit. Sometimes lack of execution by the players sticks out like a sore thumb, and sometimes a lack of inspiration, preparation and vision by the coaching is almost palpable, leaving a bad taste in the mouths of observers. It's always some combination of the two. I've heard all coaches opine about one and/or the other at different times, and McVay and Rivera are no different.

NO matter how you answer the questions from the press and L is still an L.

3 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

McVay didn't drop those 2 touchdowns in a close game , Brandon Cooks did. That's all I'm gonna say. 

 

Sounds to me that Rivera's comment would fit here better than saying he was poor at calling plays.

[raz]

mcvay made the same mistake ron did.    instead of adding anything for the game offensively, he took things out.  scaled back the playbook. it was a stupid stupid mistake by both coaches.  

[Palmetto]

Gurley shouldve had 25 carries

Instead he was on the side lines most of the game

[Ricky Spanish]

At the risk of defending Rivera:

We DID lose our super bowl due to missed opportunities. Truth be told, the defense played lights out, but the offense and ST crapped the bed with tons and tons of mistakes they hadn't made all year. 

Tolbert fumbled

Ginn dropped a pass that turned into a pick

Cotchery had his worst game probably ever (even though he caught that one ball)

The punt return that let the broncos switch fields on us. 

The only thing they could have done better was not put Remmers on an island with Miller. 

We were moving the ball on their D all game, we just turned the ball over at inopportune times and that's on the players to execute. 

[Waldo]

I would say that Mcvay sounds like a coach that might actually learn from this loss while Ronnyboy is still doing the same things and quoting 2015's success while getting more and more predictable. Mcvay is also super young. If he improves as a coach then he could be back in another SB with  better chances at victory.

The SB is just not like other games. The flow, the massive distractions, the energy...its just different than the regular season and the playoffs.