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mc52beast

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

Mr. Scot

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7 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

He had very little to do with the team's overall success and was a huge reason why we never won another playoff game after 2015. Gettleman single-handedly destroyed the 15-1 panthers in two offseasons and was then fired. Hurney would have had back to back playoff appearances and who knows how far we would have gone if Cam would have stayed healthy. Does that also make him a good GM?

Gettleman was great at finding un-drafted free agents and didn't carry emotional ties to players past their prime. Hurney on the other hand is the polar opposite of that but has a better draft record. Like I said, both are below average gms.

Dave can't win poo in NY even with some solid talent on both sides of the ball because Eli manning is washed up. He wouldn't have won a damn thing in Carolina either if it wasn't for Cam Newton.

 

Amazingly stupid take.

"The guy in charge of the roster had nothing to do with the team's success." Yeah, it's just pure coincidence that the team had its best run while he was in charge.

"He only won because of Cam." Funny how Newton was here before him and we still lost.

"He destroyed the 2015 team in two offseasons." Ummm, the second off-season you're talking about we had an amazing draft, went 11-5 and made the playoffs.

Even funnier though, you credit that season's success to Hurney (who didn't get here until the offseason was over) while at the same time saying that Gentleman was "destroying the team" that same year.

Wow :)

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20 hours ago, Icege said:

Not including the 2017 season since that was Gettleman + Hurney.

Gettleman:
40W 23L 1T (.625)
x1 NFC Championship
x3 NFC South titles
x4 playoff appearances
x4 seasons (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)

Hurney:
93W 99L (.484)
x1 NFC Championship
x2 NFC South titles
x3 playoff appearances
x12 seasons as Panthers' GM (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2018)


If we look include Hurney's time as Director of Player Operations in 1998, then the record is 97W 111L (.466). Can we please stop this ridiculous narrative that he is/was a better GM?

Gettleman also had prime, un-injured Cam and Luke.

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5 hours ago, Unbreakable Split Glass said:

Norwell aint here anymore. Star aint too. And how many games did we win last season with Dave’s guys?

I'm well aware of who was here and wasn't here last year but your question was who Dave left for Marty. Those guys were on the roster when he left.

Just stop. You've already showed you have no clue when you listed one of Marty's crown jewels from the first Superbowl team as a special teams player. 

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39 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

I'm well aware of who was here and wasn't here last year but your question was who Dave left for Marty. Those guys were on the roster when he left.

Just stop. You've already showed you have no clue when you listed one of Marty's crown jewels from the first Superbowl team as a special teams player. 

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9 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

He had very little to do with the team's overall success and was a huge reason why we never won another playoff game after 2015. Gettleman single-handedly destroyed the 15-1 panthers in two offseasons and was then fired. Hurney would have had back to back playoff appearances and who knows how far we would have gone if Cam would have stayed healthy. Does that also make him a good GM?

Gettleman was great at finding un-drafted free agents and didn't carry emotional ties to players past their prime. Hurney on the other hand is the polar opposite of that but has a better draft record. Like I said, both are below average gms.

Dave can't win poo in NY even with some solid talent on both sides of the ball because Eli manning is washed up. He wouldn't have won a damn thing in Carolina either if it wasn't for Cam Newton.

 

Yeah love when things are loaded with opinions and little facts.

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10 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

He had very little to do with the team's overall success and was a huge reason why we never won another playoff game after 2015. Gettleman single-handedly destroyed the 15-1 panthers in two offseasons and was then fired. Hurney would have had back to back playoff appearances and who knows how far we would have gone if Cam would have stayed healthy. Does that also make him a good GM?

Gettleman was great at finding un-drafted free agents and didn't carry emotional ties to players past their prime. Hurney on the other hand is the polar opposite of that but has a better draft record. Like I said, both are below average gms.

Dave can't win poo in NY even with some solid talent on both sides of the ball because Eli manning is washed up. He wouldn't have won a damn thing in Carolina either if it wasn't for Cam Newton.

 

I broke down the two's draft histories in 2017 when Hurney came back on board and also included the Steelers as a point of reference since we want to mimic them as a franchise as well as place precedent on drafting and developing talent rather than signing free agents.

The numbers were clear that Gettleman was also the superior drafter. If you're interested in the breakdown, I can do some digging.

Unfortunately for Gettleman, another requirement for being good at anything you do is being able to do it without being an abrasive ***** (unless you're promoting a fight or running for president apparently) which he just couldn't do.

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18 minutes ago, Icege said:

I broke down the two's draft histories in 2017 when Hurney came back on board and also included the Steelers as a point of reference since we want to mimic them as a franchise as well as place precedent on drafting and developing talent rather than signing free agents.

The numbers were clear that Gettleman was also the superior drafter. If you're interested in the breakdown, I can do some digging.

Unfortunately for Gettleman, another requirement for being good at anything you do is being able to do it without being an abrasive ***** (unless you're promoting a fight or running for president apparently) which he just couldn't do.

Gentleman said some dumb crap that needed much more PR skills set.  I did agree with most of it but damn man dont say it out loud.

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