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Least favorite projected player at #16?

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We have had a couple of topics about who we think/want the first pick to be. How about who do we not want?

 

If I had to choose one of the players being commonly projected to be the pick to take a hard pass on, it would be Andre Dillard. His pass pro wasnt bad, but we are a team that emphasizes running the ball. Plus all of the other question marks that come with the differences between playing in a predominantly spread offense vs pro sets.

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Dillard

He has potential to be good down the road but isnt going to be a day 1 impact player or stater.

Drafting a guy to redshirt isnt ideal for us at this time as we have major holes om defense as well.  Such as Edge rusher, where we were among the leagues worse.  And this class is ripe with talented edge rushers.

We are also moving to a 3-4 meaning we are going to need a stud interior guy to add to the mix at 3-4 DE, and there are studs there as well.

 

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16 hours ago, ncfan said:

Dillard

He has potential to be good down the road but isnt going to be a day 1 impact player or stater.

Drafting a guy to redshirt isnt ideal for us at this time as we have major holes om defense as well.  Such as Edge rusher, where we were among the leagues worse.  And this class is ripe with talented edge rushers.

We are also moving to a 3-4 meaning we are going to need a stud interior guy to add to the mix at 3-4 DE, and there are studs there as well.

 

If the team didn't have as many holes as it does, I would be 100% on board. I'm with you though, I want to see #16 be a day 1 starter. I would love getting starters in the 1st and 2nd rounds with both 3rd round picks (should we not trade up) being rotational guys that can eventually start next season or even as early as the end of this season.

I just can't justify Dillard at #16 when Max Scharping could be had as early as the 2nd or as late as the compensatory 3rd (though I think he is silently climbing up teams' draft boards since they can kick him inside on year one, get him a full NFL season under his belt complete with strength & conditioning, and then kick him to the outside where he can play on either side of the line).

I'm stoked at the aggressive move towards a true hybrid defense. I like Shaq-Luke-Irvin as our WLB-MLB-SLB trio and my fingers are crossed that Short & Poe step it up this season and that Addison doesn't fall off. Get ourselves a stud edge rusher and continue to fortify the lines.

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16 hours ago, carolinapanther said:

We are not directly moving to a 3-4 where do you guys keep getting this from......

It's ''buzzy'' people hold on to ''buzzy'', the team mentioned ''Odd'' Fronts, and incorporating some 3-4 looks, not a full on switch. Considering the majority of the NFL is predominately in ''11'' aka 1 HB / 1 TE defenses by and large are operating from Nickel personnel more often than not. So whether a team is a 43 or 34 front is becoming a little less important as no matter the case, more often than not you have your best rushers in at DE in that personnel grouping.

I expect some looks from 3-4 similar to what ARI was doing with Deone Buchanon (where you're showing a 3-4 look) but you're using Nickel personnel essentially. Barron had a similar role with LAR prior to release. teams are looking to match up the receiving threat of 11, as well as it's ability to run the ball effective as the defense typically has to sub out a LB for a S, or 3rd corner to better match up. 

having the 3-4 looks will help with personnel match ups week to week as it's more flexible than the 43, and allows pressure from angles that are less direct when looking a 43 front. 

The thought of straight up drafting a ''34'' end early are far fetched, it will likely be a pass rushers with scheme flexibility aka a guy that can rush from a 2, or 3 pt stance, or a day 1 starter at offensive line. 

Considering the off-season we've had / current personnel, it makes the most sense to bring in that scheme versatile defender if available. Our pass rush needs a speed infusion, and young talent to move forward with. 

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Anything is possible regarding scheme. If the 3-4 hybrid looks bad or it creates too much pressure on Ron's job, you better bet we will treat Irving like CJ last year. Was it Evan Mathis we drafted for one  OL scheme and fliped back to our old scheme that he couldn't play well very early in the season we drafted him and then he went off to have a very good carrer... elsewhere? Once the dust settles we will see what is what, till then it's all guessing.

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19 hours ago, Icege said:

We have had a couple of topics about who we think/want the first pick to be. How about who do we not want?

 

If I had to choose one of the players being commonly projected to be the pick to take a hard pass on, it would be Andre Dillard. His pass pro wasnt bad, but we are a team that emphasizes running the ball. Plus all of the other question marks that come with the differences between playing in a predominantly spread offense vs pro sets.

No he's my first pick ...

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I’m on board with any offensive lineman or d-lineman. Outside of that I don’t have a strong preference. 

I like O-lineman because they can come in and compete immediatley at LT and or replace Williams next year if he walks. If they can’t win the LT job they could easily win the LG spot this year.

DE- We clearly need an infusion of talent here and Irvin is only on a 1 year deal

DT- Short and Poe are strong candidates to be cap casualties next year and I don’t see us picking up the 5th year option on Butler.  Any DT could become an immediate part of the rotation and take on a full time starter job by next season.

If for some reason we think a WR or safety is far and away BPA I could get on board with that too. Safety speaks for itself and WR could push Torrey off the roster and save us 5 million, while also giving us insurance in the event Samuel can’t stay a healthy.

Anything else and I would probably be pretty displeased with the pick.

Also worth noting Jourdan Rodrique tweeted Hurney mentioned he’s honed in on “about 5-6 players at 16”,if all are gone we may trade down.

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