Casserly thinks Panthers Lion Trade 1st

[Palmetto]

59 minutes ago, RumHam said:

if we trade up, it better be for Bosa. Otherwise no trading up.

That would mean going to 1st or 2nd I don't want bosa for that

[mc52beast]

12 hours ago, rayzor said:

Casserly sucked as a GM. I've never understood why people value his thoughts on things at all.

Dude won three SB’s with the Skins... which happens to be three more than the Panthers have in their entire existence

[mc52beast]

When it comes to trades on draft day I trust Hurney as much as I would trust Charles Manson to watch my dog

[Lumps]

A third won’t move us up 8 spots...but hey if it happened I’d woupdn’t be mad.

A second (at least) would do it and to that I say fug no.

[Lumps]

31 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Dude won three SB’s with the Skins... which happens to be three more than the Panthers have in their entire existence

Yea but we beat the Saints third stringers last year. I will cherish that game forever.

[rayzor]

29 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Dude won three SB’s with the Skins... which happens to be three more than the Panthers have in their entire existence

he was an assistant to bobby beathard for 2 of those  and joe gibbs was the head coach during that time as well. the one that they won after he got the GM job was pretty soon after he took over so it could very well be argued that "he" won it with beathard's team and with gibb's coaching. from '92 on they were pretty meh which is a lot of the reason he was fired (not that they did anything after he was fired).

at Houston he didn't do much there either except for build a team that did nothing but lose.

really there's just not much there to refute the idea that he sucked as a GM.

[bababoey]

3 hours ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Can someone name me when trading up has actually worked out for us?   Everette, Hall were both trade ups.  Haynes was also but still to early to tell on this.  

I will loose my marbles if we trade up.  

Chris Gamble was a trade up. Daryl Williams was a trade up.  Funches was a trade up.  Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

[Peppers90 NC]

29 minutes ago, Lumps said:

Yea but we beat the Saints third stringers last year. I will cherish that game forever.

Seems it scarred you forever

[SetfreexX]

Would be a bad trade, stand pat in the first, if you need to trade up do it where the value makes the most sense in the 2nd or later. Personally I'd prefer to keep our 1st, 2nd, and two 3rd's as is. We moved on from a lot of players via - Retirement / Free Agency / Cuts. I'd like to see some of that production replaced via these picks. 

[Waldo]

I'm not very enthusiastic about trading away any of our first 4 picks outside of using the 1st to trade back to later in the 1st and grab another 2nd or 3rd round pick. There look to be a ton of quality players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds at positions we need.

[Calboyz13]

A ideal Mock Draft 

1st: Round -Montez Sweat/Clein Ferrell 

2nd: Round DeAndre Baker  

3rd: Round Darnell Savage Hakeem Butler 

4th: Round Ty Johnson<— 5’10 210 4.33 Maryland

5th:Round Ben Powers 

6th:Round Tyree Jackson 

 

[pantherclaw]

I want my top 10 pic!!! Waaaaaaa

It's all Riveras fault! That ass licking bastard! Doesn't he understand the game? 

Uggg, I can't root for this builshit franchise anymore, they simply are alright with not winning!!!

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 hours ago, top dawg said:

This isn't about analytics.

Professionals don't play to lose from the coaches to especially the players. It's just not what they do in any facet of reality, regardless of the delusions of fans.

It's one thing to sit your player down when you are trying to preserve their health or trying to rest them for the postseason, but it's an entirely different ball of wax to sit them down simply because you are purposefully trying to lose. One is respectful of the player and the game, and one is disrespectful to the player and the game. The whole notion is absurd. Every player, regardless of whether they are a starter or backup (or backup to the backup), on the team is going to play to win. 

 

 

Professionals don't play to lose. But the question is, which game are they trying to win. Short game or long game.

Short game - beat a divisional rival and carry momentum into the playoffs

or 

Long game - Play your defense, rest your QB and start your backup, give your backups reps if you feel like it. Play knowing the outcome is really meaningless, but there is a possibility you could hurt your division opponent next year if you happen to lose. 

If I'm NO, I'm playing the long game. Losing to a division rival sucks, but making them drop 8 positions in the draft is a better prize, IMO. I don't think the players took the game off. The OC and DC may have put together a good game plan, not a great one. Payton could have started Brees if winning against a divisional rival mattered so much, but he didn't. 

It's all in the perspective I guess. I consider screwing over a rival just as satisfying, sometimes more so than beating them. In the end, it's still a win, just not on the stat sheet. 

[MountaineerChemist10]

3 hours ago, CatTower said:

Didn't realize that the last game of your career decided whether you were a loser or not.  Tough life

The life of a Panther will always be tough, player or fan. You know that.